[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“Omniloquacious”]When I was in the gym a little earlier today, the TV was tuned to a live panel discussion on the status of Taiwan’s territorial sovereignty, and there was Richard Hartzell (as I assume it was: the name displayed on the screen was 何瑞元) playing an active part in arguing his unique interpretation thereof.
I couldn’t follow much of what they were saying because it was very noisy in the gym and there weren’t any Chinese subtitles, but it did appear that Richard was arguing his position quite forcefully, fluently and effectively. Kudos to you, RH!
But I was rather disgusted with the pig-faced fellow who insisted on speaking Taiwanese all the time (while everyone else was speaking Mandarin). It seemed almost as if he was deliberately trying to exclude the foreigner. Such rudeness is really inexcusable! How would he have felt if he had been invited to a panel discussion in the US and, knowing that he spoke English well but did not understand or had only a smattering of Spanish, one of the panelists insisted on speaking in Spanish whle everyone else was using English. Such a situation is quite unimaginable. I suppose the pig-mannered fellow must have been one of that worst kind of Hoklo chauvinist as is sometimes alluded to by others on this forum.[/quote]
can you really fault someone for taking their native language seriously, particularly in a discussion of this nature.
the speaker in question would probably change your analogy to one where your English speaking country had been overrun by first french then Spanish speakers and English had been supressed for one hundred years. if one insists on using their native tongue in a political discussion in such a context i disagree strongly you can call him rude–even if you disagree with his outlook, in lieu of evidence to the contrary you have to give him credit for the honesty of his viewpoint.
actually I might expect that someone treading this ground would have done a bit of preparation in this regard.[/quote]
It’s only rude if you choose to be offended. Clearly someone who decides to speak in a language other people don’t understand if saying “I don’t want to talk to you” or “You have no right to speak on this topic because you do not speak my language”.
Being from Northern Ireland I have engaged in the We Were Here First Argument many times. The answer to that is that all discussions in Taiwan must henceforth take place in whatever it is the aboriginal people speak, but if archaeologists discover someone else was here before even them, then we have to find out what they spoke, and speak that instead. And similarly there is no place for the English language in America. We have had this debate in Ireland quite a few times, and there are plenty of Irish citizens in Ireland who could not have a debate on the Irish constitution in Irish. Should we exclude them from future debates? This reductio ad absurdum still goes on daily in Ireland and usually ends with “well yis are all a shower a feckers annyway!”
I’m sure the chap takes his native language very seriously, but so what? How does he know Richard Hartzell doesn’t understand Taiwanese? Does he know that for a fact? These kind of “one-idea” ranters are easily trumped. We have more than a couple of hard-line Loyalist fluent Irish speakers in the North. Are they more or less Irish than non-Irish-speaking Southerners? And so on for 400 years.
(OT: BTW, Which one of you “Irish speakers” on the board would like to translate my signature? Ha Ha! )
Status Quo are class.