Ron Paul: Not Just a Nutjob — a Poorly Informed Nutjob

“We Report. You Decide”

"Even though he is polling higher than some of the invited Republican candidates and broke the record for one-day fundraising two weeks ago, FOX News continues to marginalize Texas Republican Ron Paul and has not invited him to participate in an upcoming Republican debate on FOX News Sunday 1/6/08, right before the New Hampshire primary. Paul and his campaign are understandably furious and accuse the supposed news channel of trying to suppress his message.

Boston.com reports

" Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network "is scared" of him.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said in an interview at a diner here. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

Ron Paul: Fly Paper for the Ignorant and Paranoid

Because . . . ?

[quote]"Even though he is polling higher than some of the invited Republican candidates and broke the record for one-day fundraising two weeks ago, FOX News continues to marginalize Texas Republican Ron Paul and has not invited him to participate in an upcoming Republican debate on FOX News Sunday 1/6/08, right before the New Hampshire primary. Paul and his campaign are understandably furious and accuse the supposed news channel of trying to suppress his message.

Boston.com reports

" Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network “is scared” of him.

“They are scared of me and don’t want my message to get out, but it will,” Paul said in an interview at a diner here. “They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative.”[/quote]

In an odd way I’d tend to agree that Fox and Republicans are scared of Ron Paul. Not that he’ll actually win the nomination, which still seems unlikely, but that he’ll take on the Ralph Nader, or worse, Ross Perot role as a third party candidate who will draw votes from their side. Splitting a party is the surest way to lose an election.

[quote=“redandy”][quote]"Even though he is polling higher than some of the invited Republican candidates and broke the record for one-day fundraising two weeks ago, FOX News continues to marginalize Texas Republican Ron Paul and has not invited him to participate in an upcoming Republican debate on FOX News Sunday 1/6/08, right before the New Hampshire primary. Paul and his campaign are understandably furious and accuse the supposed news channel of trying to suppress his message.

Boston.com reports

" Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network “is scared” of him.

“They are scared of me and don’t want my message to get out, but it will,” Paul said in an interview at a diner here. “They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative.”[/quote]

In an odd way I’d tend to agree that Fox and Republicans are scared of Ron Paul. Not that he’ll actually win the nomination, which still seems unlikely, but that he’ll take on the Ralph Nader, or worse, Ross Perot role as a third party candidate who will draw votes from their side. Splitting a party is the surest way to lose an election.[/quote]

If the Republican Party were really frightened of a Ron Paul third-party candidacy rather than his ideas wouldn’t the best way to forestall that to be by including him in Republican Party functions as much as possible? Excluding him from Republican Party functions seems to be the surest way to ensure an independent candidacy.

I doubt that republican leaders see it that way. I think they’d rather him just go away and not use any of their resources to help Paul. The republicans already have enough on their hands trying to restore their image and find a halfway decent frontrunner without wasting any time or energy on a guy they don’t even like.

Didn’t the Republicans support Paul’s Democratic opponent in his last re-election campaign? The GOP has a long tradition of its leaders trying to edge out candidates who aren’t the one they want right now (making them “wait their turn,” so to speak) through means like, making it difficult for them to get on the ballot of certain states. Not just people like Ron Paul and David Duke, either–Bob Dole and John McCain have both been “unfavored” in this way.

Apparently the GOP leadership thinks it can ignore its own advice and still win the White House:

Likely New Hampshire Republican caucus voter’s choice for nominee in 2008:

Mitt Romney 33%
John McCain 18%
Rudy Giuliani 16%

Ron Paul 8%
Mike Huckabee 5%
Fred Thompson 4%

Tom Tancredo 1%
Other 1%
Unsure 14%

– Fox News poll

GOP candidates to meet at NH forum

" WASHINGTON - The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state’s first-in-the-nation primary.
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The forum, where the candidates will be questioned by Fox New Channel’s Chris Wallace, will be held a day after ABC holds back to back Democratic and Republican presidential debates.

“Never underestimate New Hampshire voters’ appetite for politics,” said Fergus Cullen, the chairman of the state Republican Party.

Participating in the forum will be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson.

Unlike a debate, the candidates will face questions from Wallace around a table in a studio on the campus of St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H… The 90-minute encounter will air live beginning at 8 p.m. ET on the Fox News Channel and on Fox News Radio."

…Obama has no fingerprints:smiley:

Duncan who?

Whoever he was it looks like he’s sunk without a trace. :laughing:

Duncan Hunter is a caricature of Steven Colbert’s caricature.

Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]
And yet you comment.

Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.

Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]
And yet you comment.

Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.[/quote]

Well, you know me, TC. I’ve never been afraid to speak up or take unpopular positions.

[quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]…Obama has no fingerprints:smiley:[/quote]Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]And yet you comment.
Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.[/quote]Well, you know me, TC. I’ve never been afraid to speak up or take unpopular positions.[/quote]
Duncan Hunter with Roger Hedgecock 12-28-07

No I don’t expect him to win. But right now, he my preferred candidate.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]…Obama has no fingerprints:smiley:[/quote]Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]And yet you comment.
Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.[/quote]Well, you know me, TC. I’ve never been afraid to speak up or take unpopular positions.[/quote]
Duncan Hunter with Roger Hedgecock 12-28-07

No I don’t expect him to win. But right now, he my preferred candidate.[/quote]

You just need a good surge, TC, and Duncan Who? is sure to edge out None of the Above by the time it’s all over.

It’s gotta sting though – losing out even to Ron Paul, the nutjob, in the Republican Party.

[quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]…Obama has no fingerprints:smiley:[/quote]Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]And yet you comment.
Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.[/quote]Well, you know me, TC. I’ve never been afraid to speak up or take unpopular positions.[/quote]
Duncan Hunter with Roger Hedgecock 12-28-07
No I don’t expect him to win. But right now, he my preferred candidate.[/quote]You just need a good surge, TC, and Duncan Who? is sure to edge out None of the Above by the time it’s all over.
It’s gotta sting though – losing out even to Ron Paul, the nutjob, in the Republican Party.[/quote]
C’mon Spook…blame it on the Zionist Israeli influence cabal in the USA…you can do it!..connect those dots!

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“spook”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]…Obama has no fingerprints:smiley:[/quote]Duncan who?
Whoever he was …[/quote]And yet you comment.
Brave man there Spook. Most would be reticent admitting this.[/quote]Well, you know me, TC. I’ve never been afraid to speak up or take unpopular positions.[/quote]
Duncan Hunter with Roger Hedgecock 12-28-07
No I don’t expect him to win. But right now, he my preferred candidate.[/quote]You just need a good surge, TC, and Duncan Who? is sure to edge out None of the Above by the time it’s all over.
It’s gotta sting though – losing out even to Ron Paul, the nutjob, in the Republican Party.[/quote]
C’mon Spook…blame it on the Zionist Israeli influence cabal in the USA…you can do it!..connect those dots![/quote]

You mean this? Or is this what you had in mind?

[quote]Reason to Vote for Duncan Hunter

  1. He is the most conservative candidate in the race. He has a 92% lifetime rating, American Conservative Union.

  2. He is the “National Security” candidate. He served with the 173rd Airborne and the 75th Army Rangers in Vietnam, and was, most recently, the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee in the House of Representatives. Duncan Hunter knows defense.

  3. He is a strong supporter of missile defense.

  4. He’s a strong supporter of Israel. [/quote]

Well…enough of Spooks threadjack game. Here’s Mr. Pauls new TV advert:

Ron Paul TV Ad: Immigration

[i]"Narrator: For generations, Lady Liberty welcomed immigrants that came here legally, followed the rules and led productive lives. Today, illegal immigrants violate our borders and overwhelm our hospitals, schools and social services.

Ron Paul wants border security NOW:
[b]Physically secure the border.

No amnesty.

No welfare to illegal aliens.

End birthright citizenship.

No more student visas from terrorist nations.[/b]

Standing up for the rule of law… Ron Paul for President.
Congressman Paul: I’m Ron Paul and I approve this message.[/i]

Sounds good, eh?

Too bad he doesn’t vote that way.
from another site (with sourcing):

[i]"Paul has some questionable votes in this area (3 times voted for amnesty for visa over stayers, voted against troops on the border, etc), but let’s look at just a couple of recent ones and you decide WHY he would vote against these measures.

H.Res. 800- a resolution stating that that States should not issue driver’s licenses or other government-issued photo identification to aliens who are unlawfully present in the United States.———————— Paul voted NO clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/ROLL_100.asp

H.R. 4160- legislation withholding highway funds from those states which issue a driver’s license or identification card to illegal aliens. opencongress.org/bill/110-h4160/show-——————; Paul did not co sponsor- no final vote yet.

In 1987, he wrote that the United States should not have a national immigration policy and “should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work.”

A couple Items he SPONSORED

107th
H.CON.RES.206 : Recognizing the important relationship between the United States and Mexico.
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 7/31/2001) Cosponsors (8)
Committees: House International Relations
H. CON. RES. 206

Recognizing the important relationship between the United States and Mexico.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 31, 2001

Mr. PAUL (for himself, Mr. BALLENGER, Mr. KOLBE, Mr. BARTON of Texas, Mr. NETHERCUTT, and Mr. DREIER) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Recognizing the important relationship between the United States and Mexico.

Whereas the United States and Mexico share a special bilateral friendship matched by few other countries in the world;

Whereas the United States and Mexico are partners joined by geography as well as by a series of government-to-government and private relationships which are of critical importance to both countries;

Whereas the United States and Mexico share concern on a wide range of issues, including trade and immigration, environmental quality, economic development, and regional security and stability; and

Whereas the special relationship between the United States and Mexico is critically important in its own right as well as serving as a linchpin in the relationship between the United States and every nation in Central and South America: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that it is in keeping with the just interests of the United States that the special nature of the relationship between the United States and Mexico be recognized and further cultivated to the mutual benefit of both countries.

H.CON.RES.277 : Recognizing the important contributions of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 11/19/2001) Cosponsors (None)
107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. CON. RES. 277

Recognizing the important contributions of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

November 19, 2001

Mr. PAUL submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Recognizing the important contributions of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Whereas the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce of the United States has had a significant impact among Hispanic businesses, and in the business community in general;

Whereas the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce has served in a key support role, not merely as a business group but also as a civic organization working in the Hispanic-American community; and

Whereas the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce has helped to bring entrepreneurship to the Hispanic community as well as helping to pool the resources and talents of Hispanic American entrepreneurs: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that it is important to the promotion of the free market process of the United States, to the future success of Hispanic Americans, and to society at large that the special role of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce of the United States be recognized and further cultivated to the benefit of all Americans.

towncriernews.blogspot.com/ "[/i]

Just another pol.

Ron Paul is as about as likely to be elected President as Saddam Hussein was to attack the United States but he’s driving you neoanderthals crazy for some reason. What is it, TC? Why has Ron Paul got your goat? :laughing:

Hmm…

I figured Paul, as a libertarian essentially, would favor open borders since free movement of both labor and capital is so important to market economics, and involves less government activity than any other policy. I guess if TC’s post is accurate, then Mr. straight talking consistency plays to the politically popular solutions.

Frankly, I find the current obsession with border security in the Republican party a bit amusing. Immigration law is one thing that the average non-immigrant knows squat about, but it’s so much more fun to talk about foreigners sneaking across the border than most other things, so it’s kind of become the least common denominator that everyone in the party agrees to.