Ron Paul: Not Just a Nutjob — a Poorly Informed Nutjob

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[quote]Ron Paul: Not Just a Nutjob — a Poorly Informed Nutjob
Steve Shives, December 28, 2007

Rick Rottman has been doing a great job the last few months at his Bent Corner blog writing about what a crazy old coot Ron Paul is. Congressman Paul’s most recent display of televised psychosis was this past weekend on Meet the Press, when, among other things, he claimed that Abraham Lincoln started the American Civil War. Lincoln apparently did this through a diabolical scheme of getting elected President of the United States, then cleverly waiting for Confederate troops in the seceded state of South Carolina to open fire on Fort Sumter. Starting a war by waiting for the other side to start the war . . . he was an evil genius, that Abe Lincoln. (Helluva wrestler, too.)

Not only did Paul blame Lincoln for starting the war, he blamed him for starting it for the noblest reason he could possibly have started it — to free the millions of African Americans enslaved throughout the southern U.S. The bloody Civil War, with its calamitous loss of life and resources, was unnecessary to end slavery, Congressman Paul said. Instead, Lincoln could have freed the slaves by having the government buy them from their owners and releasing them. Except that by the time Lincoln made it to office, the war had already started. Southern state legislatures began declaring their secession shortly after Lincoln was elected, months before he was inaugurated. I doubt they would have been receptive to offers from their most hated enemy to relieve them of their vast force of wage-free labor in exchange for fair market value. Plus, as Rick points out in his article, wouldn’t buying the slaves, even if only to free them, legitimize the practice of treating human beings like livestock?

Lincoln didn’t start the Civil War, and if he had, it would have been to restore the Union, not to free the slaves. He evolved into the Great Emancipator over the course of the war, but Abe was hardly an abolitionist when it all started going down. “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it,” he wrote in 1862, “and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

But faulting Lincoln and his then-non-existent desire to end slavery for the start of the Civil War wasn’t all Ron Paul had up his sleeve for us this week. As Rick writes about in another article posted today, Congressman Paul called in to Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning and defended his peculiar version of American history against guest host David Shushter, who had previously referred to Paul quite correctly as a “crackpot,” and co-host Jack Jacobs. Paul defended his “Lincoln started it” assertion by claiming that the MSNBC hosts hadn’t read “the right history books.” He also told Jack Jacobs that he was not “brave enough” to read those history books, the ones which told the real story.

Rick spent a few paragraphs expounding on how ludicrous it is for a man like Ron Paul to attack Jack Jacobs for questioning his shoddy history by attacking Jacobs’s personal bravery, but I think it bears repeating: Jack Jacobs is a retired U.S. Army Colonel. He served during the Vietnam War and was awarded two Purple Hearts, two Silver Stars, three Bronze Stars, and the Congressional Medal of Honor for his service. According to his Medal of Honor citation, Jacobs repeatedly crossed open rice fields, while under heavy enemy fire and bleeding from severe head wounds, to evacuate others to safety. Jacobs is credited with saving the lives of an American military advisor and 13 soldiers in the 2nd Battalion of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam, to which Jacobs was attached as an assistant battalion advisor. That doesn’t mean his opinions should be treated with any more deference than anyone else’s, or that he’s exempt from being questioned, but it does speak pretty persuasively to his bravery. Congressman Paul, a Vietnam-era veteran himself, ought to know better.

The reason Paul claimed Jacobs lacked the courage to read the right history books is probably that Jacobs is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. The CFR is one of the most feared and vilified groups in the world among the sort of conspiracy theorist wackos whose support Congressman Paul has been shamelessly soliciting for the past year. The CFR, along with the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and those owl-worshipping heretics at Bohemian Grove, is one of the main organizations comprising the Illuminati, the New World Order, the Republican National Committee — whatever you want to call it, the cabal of shadowy aristocrats who control all the banks and are plotting to enslave us all beneath the yoke of a world government. The facts that Jack Jacobs is a legit war hero, and that the Council on Foreign Relations is pretty much just an overfed think tank for rich people and bored, retired politicians, with no actual power whatsoever, don’t matter much to Ron Paul, or Alex Jones or Aaron Russo or David Icke, or the rest of their alarmist, delusional kind.

Sure, viewed with a certain mindset (for instance, unrestrained insanity), the Council on Foreign Relations can look like a creepy bunch. It’s mostly old white guys in suits, and it is undeniably an elitist and exclusive institution. It has some pretty sinister members, like Dick Cheney, Alan Greenspan, and Rick Warren. But the CFR also has some less intimidating names on its roster, like young ketchup mogul Christopher Heinz, news anchor Paula Zahn, Angelina Jolie, The View co-host Barbara Walters, and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who you know would never hurt a fly, let alone bind all humanity to the brutal will of a global superstate.

What did Ron Paul mean by the right history books? Probably ones like The Lincoln No One Knows by Webb B. Garrison, and almost definitely The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War by Thomas DiLorenzo. I’ve not read either book, and neither strikes me as serious work anyway, but to get an idea of what sort of history might be found in books like these, here are a few lines from an article written by DiLorenzo, apparently a dedicated Lincoln basher, and posted online at this loony anti-Semitic religious fanatic and conspiracy theorist website:

Lincoln’s stated purpose in the war was to destroy the principle of the Declaration of Independence that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. Southerners no longer consented to being governed by Washington, DC, so Lincoln waged total war against them for four long years. Of course, he didn’t put it this way but instead sugarcoated his objective with language about “saving the Union.”

The rest of the website, called The 7th Fire, though not written by DiLorenzo, publishes many of his articles, as well as links to study guides for his “great work” aimed specifically at home schoolers (go figure). DiLorenzo ought to be more discriminating about where he allows his work to be posted. Here is another quote from that 7th Fire page, where six of DiLorenzo’s articles are linked under the heading “THE CIVIL WAR and the Role of the Illuminati”:

The American Civil War, in a very real sense, was the continuation of the Revolutionary war fought by our Founders against the Bank of England. The Civil War was planned in London by Rothschild who wanted two American democracies, each burdened with debt. Four years before the war (1857) Rothschild decided his Paris bank would support the South, represented by Sen. John Slidell, JEW, from Louisiana; while the British branch would support the North, represented by August Belmont (Schoenberg) JEW, from New York. The plan was to bankroll, at usurious interest rates, the huge war debts that were anticipated, using that debt to extort both sides into accepting a Rothschild central-banking system similar to the one that had bled (and is bleeding) the nations of Europe, keeping them in conditions of perpetual war, insolvency and at the mercy of JEW speculators.

My God, Mel Gibson was right!

One more quote from a DiLorenzo article, because I can’t help myself:

As H.L. Mencken said of the Gettysburg Address, in which Lincoln absurdly claimed that Northern soldiers were fighting for the cause of self determination (“that government of the people . . . should not perish . . .”) “It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”

Heh. Well, not all of their people, H.L.

That’s what Jack Jacobs is too scared to read, according to Ron Paul. Because he disagrees with the unsustainable, half-baked worldview espoused by men like Paul, and DiLorenzo, and those fine folks at 7th Fire, Jacobs, who risked his life over and over again to rescue Vietnamese soldiers, is labeled a coward. Good old Congressman Paul, though, he ain’t no coward. No sir. Be you a Nazi or a whoremonger or a 9/11 Truther or a secesh-loving Lincoln basher, Ron Paul is brave enough to take your money and spend it in his stupid and hopeless run for the White House.

When Paul gets crushed in primary after primary and he’s finally forced to withdraw his candidacy, it will be partially due to his relative lack of funds, to the media’s preference for Romney or McCain or Huckabee, and to how batshit crazy he is. Ultimately, though, I think it will be those Nazi contributors, those conspiracy theorist radio hosts to whom he so regularly grants interviews, those authors of “the right kind of history books” that do him in. It won’t be the money, the media, or the man himself, but the company he keeps.
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"Anyway, the argument went back and forth and Paul lost his cool, calling Colonel Jack Jacobs a coward. Jacobs, for his part, kept his cool and smiled, saying, “I think you are talking to the wrong guy.” I agree that a Medal of Honor for valor and the heroic rescue of 13 wounded soldiers under fire in Vietnam makes Jacobs a very unlikely coward. However, it is obvious that Paul’s word choice was bad and he didn’t really mean it the way it will be used by his enemies. "

Jack Jacobs Medal of Honor Citation

Ron Paul…?

it’s good to know “the right history books” are out there. i really had that feeling i wasn’t getting the full story from the 18,000,000 that must have been written about the civil war.

So Ron Paul is a nutjob because he said the following?:

[quote]MR. RUSSERT: I was intrigued by your comments about Abe Lincoln. “According to Paul, Abe Lincoln should never have gone to war; there were better ways of getting rid of slavery.”

REP. PAUL: Absolutely. Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he shouldn’t have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the–that iron, iron fist…

MR. RUSSERT: We’d still have slavery.

REP. PAUL: Oh, come on, Tim. Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world. And the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British empire did. You, you buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where it lingered for 100 years? I mean, the hatred and all that existed. So every other major country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war. I mean, that doesn’t sound too radical to me. That sounds like a pretty reasonable approach. [/quote]

I’d say the real nutjobs are those who continue to claim despite all the evidence that Iraq was ever any sort of credible military threat to the United States or that it’s weapons of mass destruction arsenal indeed exists but we just haven’t been able to find it.

[quote=“spook”]So Ron Paul is a nutjob because he said the following?:

[quote]MR. RUSSERT: I was intrigued by your comments about Abe Lincoln. “According to Paul, Abe Lincoln should never have gone to war; there were better ways of getting rid of slavery.”

REP. PAUL: Absolutely. Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he shouldn’t have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the–that iron, iron fist…

MR. RUSSERT: We’d still have slavery.

REP. PAUL: Oh, come on, Tim. Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world. And the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British empire did. You, you buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where it lingered for 100 years? I mean, the hatred and all that existed. So every other major country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war. I mean, that doesn’t sound too radical to me. That sounds like a pretty reasonable approach. [/quote][/quote]

he’s got to be kidding. that’s insane. what is he on the extreme against the iraq war? not a guy whose views i’d trumpet to back that up.

I actually like Ron Paul. But still not gonna get my vote. I’m writing myself in on the ticket. :laughing:

Anyway, if you haven’t had a chance to see this, I would watch it

http://www.youtube.com/republicandebate

Paul supports states’ rights. His antipathy to Lincoln apparently stems from that. The U.S. Civil War confirmed the rights of the federal government over the states, rather than vice versa, and established the U.S. as a “union” (i.e., territorially inviolable), with no secession allowed. Contrast with the systems of the EU or even Canada.

Many of Paul’s views are the sort of thing associated with the militia movement. He’s against the IRS, for instance (aren’t we all), against most forms of foreign relations (but aren’t they of some national interest to the U.S.?), and supports a return to the gold standard (Austrian school of economics, anyone?).

The worst factual gaffe I have heard from him was about a month ago, when he confused the Kurds of northern Iraq with the Shi’a Arabs of southern Iraq. Paul supporters hastened to explain that actually, he did know the difference–he just misspoke. (Maybe.)

If it’s any comfort, there’s no way in hell that Paul is going to win, blimp or no blimp. I suppose that after he loses the Republican nomination, he’ll end up on the ballot as the Libertarian candidate. If the other candidates are Mike Huckabee and Mrs. Clinton–polarizing figures both–then Paul could be another Ross Perot, and throw the election to Hillary.

A poster on another forum put it well (I’m quoting from memory here):

“Ron Paul may be a 5-alarm whackjob, but he seems very reasonable since the other Republican candidates are all 6-alarm whackjobs.”

To my mind, Paul’s biggest strengths (which his commercials do not reflect–they’re very bland) are that he opposed the war from the very beginning*, supports civil liberties and the Constitution (against the Bush administration’s tweaks), and is widely regarded as honest, consistent, and principled. He speaks well, and oddly enough, appeals to moderates. (For example, his stance on abortion is that each state ought to decide the issue for itself.)

The negatives are that he is a bit of a crank, and that most voters would consider a Representative to be barely qualified for the presidency. (Note that he has not distinguished himself in terms of House leadership.)

  • Okay, he opposes damn near every bill that comes before him–there’s a reason they call him “Dr. No”

[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]To my mind, Paul’s biggest strengths (which his commercials do not reflect–they’re very bland) are that he opposed the war from the very beginning*, supports civil liberties and the Constitution (against the Bush administration’s tweaks), and is widely regarded as honest, consistent, and principled. He speaks well, and oddly enough, appeals to moderates. (For example, his stance on abortion is that each state ought to decide the issue for itself.)

The negatives are that he is a bit of a crank, and that most voters would consider a Representative to be barely qualified for the presidency. (Note that he has not distinguished himself in terms of House leadership.)

  • Okay, he opposes damn near every bill that comes before him–there’s a reason they call him “Dr. No”[/quote]

He may be a crank but I haven’t seen any evidence of it. It’s just one of those oft-repeated articles of faith that everyone seems to accept as fact.

Other than smear jobs by those who fear his ideas the only attempts at establishing his nuttiness I’ve seen are half-hearted attempts to equate his devotion to traditional American principles as some sort of crank cause.

[quote=“Ron Paul in 1992”]Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among
blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5%
of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market,
individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know
many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit–not as
representatives of a racial group, but as decent people. They are,
however, outnumbered. Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the ages
of 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence,
reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center
also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before
they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their
lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal
justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males
in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

 If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who

doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that
it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black
men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of
proportion to their numbers.
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How did the neocons let this guy get away?

[quote=“Dr. McCoy”][quote=“Ron Paul in 1992”]Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among
blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5%
of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market,
individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know
many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit–not as
representatives of a racial group, but as decent people. They are,
however, outnumbered. Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the ages
of 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence,
reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center
also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before
they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their
lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal
justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males
in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

 If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who

doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that
it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black
men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of
proportion to their numbers.
[/quote]
link
How did the neocons let this guy get away?[/quote]

Such straight talk. Refreshing to have an honest politician running this year.
Thanks for posting this. I’m gonna pass it on to a cohort.

To me, Ron Paul pretty much has the same strengths and weaknesses as just about every other libertarian I’ve been around. Strengths: straight talking, clear and easy to understand, strong political theory based on freedom both in personal and in business matters, governmental restraint particularly at the federal level, low taxes and spending, and general hands off policy. Weaknesses: Obsessed with his own agenda at the expense of understanding anyone else’s point of view, apparently not willing to work within the existing system, not nearly enough political power to actually implement his agenda, and unwilling to recognize that real world costs and considerations stand in the way of the libertarian ideal.

He’s a total crank – Austrian school of econ, state’s rights – always a code for racism in US politics. His writings from the 1990s are filled with racist nonsense. Paul’s outbreaks of sanity are more like that of the broken clock that is right twice a day.

I almost hope he wins the nomination. He or Huckabee. Or Romney. They are all whackjobs, and watching them split their party will be fun.

Michael

Maybe he will be a uniter?

He’s going to have problems given the nature of his support base (volunteers), though.

I got a call this morning from my MIL. We got hit with 9" of snow last night, starting about 9 p.m. and running overnight. My MIL went to bed early and for some reason woke up and got up about midnight. She looked out the front door (don’t know why) and found Ron Paul literature stuck in between the storm door and the main door. Her yard was the only one with tracks in it.

In politics in this country, the rule is usually to drop literature only during daylight hours, since people get freaked out if folks approach their doors during the hours of darkness. This dropping literature during night snowstorms is a new thing. She didn’t know anything about Ron Paul prior to receiving this drop, but she says that was enough to put her off thinking about him seriously or looking into his campaign in more depth.

There are also weird, obviously homemade signs all over the place. I give him credit for mobilizing an extensive base of support who are willing to go out and work, but the impression is of a kindergarten campaign. At least most people can spell “Ron Paul”…

I would expect more than that for a first post of the year, ironlady. Politics! POLITICS! Oh my… not promising for 2008. :wink:

Just kidding and completely off topic. :laughing:

Happy New Year! :slight_smile:

So which candidate isn’t a “poorly informed nutjob”?

(I expect silence :slight_smile: .)

[quote=“bobepine”]I would expect more than that for a first post of the year, ironlady. Politics! POLITICS! Oh my… not promising for 2008. :wink:

Just kidding and completely off topic. :laughing:

Happy New Year! :slight_smile:[/quote]

Hah! Not the New Year here yet…we’re 13 hours behind you, remember. (Probably in more ways than one!) :smiley: :smiley:

Can you be more specific? I have heard of one example of out-and-out racism–something from his newsletter which he didn’t write himself (he said), but took responsibility for. I don’t remember what it said exactly. Surely if more damning statements were available, “7 Questions to make Ron Paul Followers Squirm” (an ad I’ve seen around) would focus on that, and not the Austrian school of economics (since the average person has a positive impression of both Austria and economists).

I disagree that Paul’s various causes are “code words” for racism. He’s philosophically Libertarian, of course (and consistent to a fault), but his emphasis on the Constitution and the gold standard (coded as anti-government causes) are more similar to the militia movement. Which some reporters tried to paint as racist, since it’s a bunch of middle-aged white guys playing soldier, but in fact most of them deny this–I think, accurately. (Neo-Nazis, by contrast, openly embrace the term “racism.” Though most of them will probably vote for Paul.)

[quote=“miltownkid”]So which candidate isn’t a “poorly informed nutjob”?

(I expect silence :slight_smile: .)[/quote]
Hillary is a “poorly informed boobjob”.
Happy New Year in Miltown.