[quote=“jimipresley”][quote=“bismarck”]
It was such a nice two weeks of Tri-Nations for me, and now it’s back to worrying about PdV clownishness for another three weeks.[/quote]
Ah, the fickle SA rugby crowd. Dominate world rugby for a coupla years, then lose a match or two and your arse is cheese. 
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Shouldn’t that be a match or three.
[quote=“Wandering”]
Shouldn’t that be a match or three.[/quote]
Don’t be so pedantic.
Any chance you meet up with the French again in the Quarters or Semis? 
Moaning? No, I just said I thought it deserved a yellow card and many of my friends who saw the game including some Kiwis thought so as well, especially as Kaplan had earlier warned the AB’s captain in the first half with another " final warning" that any more things like that then a card would be issued. That fact is that other teams get finals warnings and then yellow cards and the AB’s get final warnings then 2 or 3 more final warnings and no cards. That is not moaning it is quite factual.
The AB’s played with a full strength team against the Wallabies still missing 7 key players. SO we are getting there.
Still you won’t mind next year when the Wobblies do the unexpected and walk away with the RWC :discodance: :discodance:[/quote]
Christ you’re becoming tedious mate. 4 posts in a row you’re going on about the World Cup and the ABs bad run in them. You’ve suckered in some fish with your trolling, but let’s be real. It’s a negative and jealous tune you’re humming, and you’re a fair weather fan. First you applaud the video above this post, which turns out to have little substance in rugby laws. Now you are going on about the World Cup and All Black failures. Many of us are well aware that we have been knocked out of that sudden death tourney a few times, but most of us are probably over it too.
Well, most fans enjoy watching the ABs dominate/or play hard and tough week in week out with very few losses. We have 9 straight wins against Australia, first time for 50 years or so, and not looking like losing any soon. We had 17 in a row during the mid 2000s and whipped the Lions. We have stars coming out our ears, and the best rugby player on the planet. We have never lost to Scotland, unlike Aussie during the 2009-2010 EOYTour. You guys just lost to England. Point is, I don’t really care abut the World Cup, I care about the ITM and that the All Blacks are doing well all the time. It’s great to watch the rugby they are playing. I know Aussie doesn’t have an ITM like competition so you can really only cling to the Wobblies, and when they keep losing, you’ll turn negative-and so you have…but try to be constructive, positive and interesting. 
And the bizarre thing is: you’re not even an Australian. :loco:
[quote=“Kea”]
And the bizarre thing is: you’re not even an Australian. :loco:[/quote]
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Really? 
Really? [/quote]
Ha, show me your passport. 
About the rest of my post, apologies if I was a bit acerbic-just got in from a busy day and couldn’t resist letting fly at your continual AB baiting. The best thing about winning the RWC next year, if we do, will be hearing the last of those boring comments. So, go ABs for 2011!
[quote=“Kea”]
About the rest of my post, apologies if I was a bit acerbic-just got in from a busy day and couldn’t resist letting fly at your continual AB baiting. The best thing about winning the RWC next year, if we do, will be hearing the last of those boring comments. So, go ABs for 2011![/quote]
You’re apologizing to a Crim? :no-no: Don’t be surprised if he clobbers you with his Taiwan ID (now there’s a sad thing), and then plays with your balls on the ground. 
[quote=“jimipresley”][quote=“bismarck”]
It was such a nice two weeks of Tri-Nations for me, and now it’s back to worrying about PdV clownishness for another three weeks.[/quote]
Ah, the fickle SA rugby crowd. Dominate world rugby for a coupla years, then lose a match or two and your arse is cheese. [/quote]
Sorry, mate, but you’re talking out your pooper on that one. It’s one thing to be behind the team when they win, and flame them when the lose one or two or three; and it’s quite another thing to be pissed with the coach (who I’ve been saying since he was appointed in late 2007 is utter shite and is going to get us in deep crap eventually) who doesn’t seem to know the difference between an inside center and a wing, an in form scrum half and a mediocre provincial has been, and who plays one guy from the northern hemisphere but excludes the greatest natural talent this country has had in a century. Not to mention embarrassing us with stupid comments, acting like a arse clown in public, supporting thuggish behaviour to ingratiate himself with “the boys” to cover up his coaching inadequacies and generally piss poor performances.
You conveniently forget some of his other gaffs in the last three years, which clearly indicates it’s no where near a case of “lose a game or two and your arse is cheese”.
16 Aug 2008 SA 0 - 19 NZ (Cape Town)
23 Aug 2008 SA 15 - 27 AUS (Durban)
4 Jul 2009 SA 9 - 28 Lions (Johannesburg) We won the series, but were very lucky to win the second test and we were thrashed in the third test. Hardly convincing stuff from the coach. I’d bet anything Jake would have coached the Boks to a 3-0 whitewash of the Lions. But no one was too worried yet. However, the cracks had started to show, even though we dominated the Tri-Nations (although, the All Blacks had a terrible season overall, and the Aussies had just started fielding a practically new young team), and the dam wall burst in November 2009.
6 Nov 2009 SA 17 - 22 Leicester Tigers
13 Nov 2009 SA 13 -30 France
17 Nov 2009 SA 23 - 24 Saracens
Fortunately, the next weekend we played against lowly Italy. Wow! What a “big” score we managed there! 
21 Nov 2009 SA 32 - 10 Italy But still, at least it was a win. However, I think I could have coached the Boks that week, and they still would have won.
28 Nov 2009 SA 10 - 15 Ireland That was the worst international I have ever seen the Boks throw away. We’ve been well beaten before, but that game was utter rubbish in how they totally tossed away all their scoring opportunities.
5 Jun 2010 SA 34 - 31 Wales Barely scrapped a victory against a side that was well beaten several times in the Six Nations.
12 Jun 2010 SA 42 - 17 France And before you get excited about that score, remember that two weeks later the Argies managed this score: Argentina 41 - 13 France. This is the same Argentine team that managed to lose twice to Scotland in the two previous weeks (Argentina 16 - 24 Scotland, and Argentina 9 - 13 Scotland). So it’s safe to say we were lucky to escape with a win in Wales in June, thumped a French side which was utter crap and a shadow of it’s 2009 form, having just come out of a very long northern season. But this result, in of itself, is nothing to be alarmed about. This happens every June, and we hear the same excuses every year. The scraping past Wales is much more damning. Then, apart from the big win (as it should be) in the second test against Italy, in the first test we repeat the shit form from Nov 2009.
19 Jun 2010 SA 29 - 13 Italy Only, in Italy in Nov 2009 we managed a 22 point margin, and in this first test we managed a mere 16 point margin. If it wasn’t for the 44 point arse raping we gave them in East London there could have been a good argument for a case that Nick Mallet was closing the gap between the Boks and Italy! Although, out of three tests in seven months between these two countries it’s clear as daylight that Mallet is in a completely different league than PdV. The only difference is Mallet is coaching a bunch of mediocre players to perform heroic tests, and PdV is coaching magnificent players in a country with awesome depth to mediocre (or worse) test performances. And this became clear as crystal in this year’s Tri-Nations:
24 Jun 2010 SA 13 - 30 Australia
17 Jun 2010 SA 17 - 31 New Zealand
10 Jun 2010 SA 12 - 32 New Zealand
This is typical of 3N performances before Jake White took over where we had gotten used to being thrashed in Australia and NZ and beating Aussie in SA, and lucky if we manage a sole home win against NZ. This is going backwards ten years. Not achieving dominance, let alone parity with the other two top three rugby nations. When one looks at the performances of the Stormers and the Bulls in the Super 14 there is no logical reason for this. The Stormers beat all the NZ teams and only had one away loss to the Reds in Brisbane. The Bulls beat the Crusaders twice, performed well overall and managed to down even the Stormers in the Final to win the S14.
These are the same players, but with a different coach. If we had lost the above three tests, but could at least say we had played well, then it would be a different thing entirely. But they played utter shit rugby, the coached whinged about cheating, couldn’t adapt to the way the refs were interpreting the laws, there was no defence, no attacking structure, poor discipline and generally no game plan.
When the players have run the show and been allowed to play Jake’s game we’ve done well. When the coach has experimented, we’ve been thrashed (and humiliated by English club sides who are not even in the same league as the lower half of the Super 14 table).
Your comment above is erroneous because it’s not a case of being happy when we win for years, and grilling them when they lose one or two. We’ve been lucky to face shoddy opposition, and the only top nations we’ve faced and beaten in the last year has been Wales (barely) and France (who were equally arse raped by Argentina), but we’ve managed to lose to France away from home, the Irish, Australia and New Zealand. We have a Grand Slam tour coming up in November, and I can guarantee you now we’re not going to pull it off. In fact, I think we’ll lose at least two of the five games, if not three or four. Let’s just hope we can continue our good run against the Barbarians and win that game, at least.
It’s pissed me off that other posters have posted here recently that Aussie will get at least one win in SA, but I’ve declined to comment, because they’re right. If Cooper and Genia are reunited with Giteau at no.12 their backline will be too much for PdV’s illogical selections and piss poor discipline that he instills. Their loosies will destroy ours again, and we’ll be lucky to escape with one win out of three home games if something drastic isn’t done.
It’s not that we don’t have the depth or the talent. In fact, with the coaches and players we have that have consistently performed over the last three to five years, given the correct structures and staff with decent selections we should have won at least one away game and come away with one or two bonus point losses well poised to defend our Tri-Nations title with the outcome of the tournament still very much in doubt, and three home games (at altitude!) in hand.
So, no. It’s not the team. It’s not depth. It’s not lack of talent. It’s a politically appointed clown with no coaching pedigree worth a damn who has managed what no one else could possibly have done: Take a world class pool of players, a world class team and drive them to the pits of mediocrity.
And it’s not something I’ve only been saying of late. I’ve been saying it since he was appointed after the 2007 RWC. Sadly, I’ve been proven correct.
Seeing as you put so much time and effort into that rant, I’m going to show you the requisite respect. And not point you to the post where you voted PdV coach of the year. 
Really? [/quote] Ha, show me your passport.
About the rest of my post, apologies if I was a bit acerbic-just got in from a busy day and couldn’t resist letting fly at your continual AB baiting. The best thing about winning the RWC next year, if we do, will be hearing the last of those boring comments. So, go ABs for 2011![/quote]
I could show you my Aussie passport but what would that prove? We Wallabies supporters are used to losing as Rugby is such a small sport in Australia and it attracts very few players. On the other hand Rugby is the NZ National Sport and you would expect a nation that has more rugby players than the to do well very well. It just rubs you up the wrong way that those other southern hemisphere pesky nations have won 4 world cups to your one with inferior teams. Kiwi’s are used to the AB’s winning, so it hurts a lot more when in the real deal they don’t live up to the hype. Twas a pity that the NZ streets were already adorned with the AB’s RWC winning banners before you had actually won anything. All that unexpected rubbish had to be thrown away and parties cancelled, and the stock market dove 10% the next business day. 
I expect the AB’s to go on like the Boston Red Sox and not win a RWC for about 86 years. 
Yes, JP. But that was a year when everyone else was utter shit. In the Land of the Blind, the one eyed man is King. Doesn’t mean he has 20/20 vision or can see past his arse.
Yes, JP. But that was a year when everyone else was utter shit. In the Land of the Blind, the one eyed man is King. Doesn’t mean he has 20/20 vision or can see past his arse.[/quote]
Oh, I despair for the fickle South African rugby public.
WTF? :loco: The 1991, 1999 Wallabies and the 1995, 2007 Springboks were anything but inferior teams.
WTF? :loco: The 1991, 1999 Wallabies and the 1995, 2007 Springboks were anything but inferior teams.[/quote]
Don’t worry about Sat TV. He’s just sour because his country can’t play a single sport well. Oh, sorry. I believe a Taiwanese lady won a golf tournament a few months back.
Yes, JP. But that was a year when everyone else was utter shit. In the Land of the Blind, the one eyed man is King. Doesn’t mean he has 20/20 vision or can see past his arse.[/quote]
Oh, I despair for the fickle South African rugby public. [/quote]
Ok, mate. Then you stand alone, with the ANC, in believing that PdV is a coach of any stature. So you reckon this is just a bump in the road?
It’s got f*ck all to do with being fickle. If you actually read my post where I took the time to get the stats to back up my argument, not just blowing smoke out of my arse, then would know that. And if you wish, I can give you the numbers of everyone I watch rugby with and see regularly and you can ask them what I’ve been saying about PdV since 2007. Even during the 2009 Tri-Nations and Lions Tour.
WTF? :loco: The 1991, 1999 Wallabies and the 1995, 2007 Springboks were anything but inferior teams.[/quote]
But according all the Kiwis I know NZ are the rightful custodians of Rugby and are always the best in the world, when they are #1 ranked that means we are inferior teams.
Wallabies were ranked #1 in 1994 but not in 95.
[quote=“Satellite TV”] we are inferior teams.
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May I direct you to this site, Sat TV? irb.com/rankings/full.html
Taiwan don’t even make the top 100. They are behind such rugby giants as the Solomon Islands, Moldova, Madagascar, Botswana, Guam and Monaco.
Who’s “we”, paleface?
Really? [/quote] Ha, show me your passport.
About the rest of my post, apologies if I was a bit acerbic-just got in from a busy day and couldn’t resist letting fly at your continual AB baiting. The best thing about winning the RWC next year, if we do, will be hearing the last of those boring comments. So, go ABs for 2011![/quote]
I could show you my Aussie passport but what would that prove? We Wallabies supporters are used to losing as Rugby is such a small sport in Australia and it attracts very few players. On the other hand Rugby is the NZ National Sport and you would expect a nation that has more rugby players than the to do well very well. It just rubs you up the wrong way that those other southern hemisphere pesky nations have won 4 world cups to your one with inferior teams. Kiwi’s are used to the AB’s winning, so it hurts a lot more when in the real deal they don’t live up to the hype. Twas a pity that the NZ streets were already adorned with the AB’s RWC winning banners before you had actually won anything. All that unexpected rubbish had to be thrown away and parties cancelled, and the stock market dove 10% the next business day.
I expect the AB’s to go on like the Boston Red Sox and not win a RWC for about 86 years. [/quote]
Hah, as subtle as an Australian in a bank. OK, you convinced me you are Australian! Jimi was right, try to be considerate to a convict, open your door to him when he’s feeling down, and he’ll rob you blind. Luckily we have Bismarck, the king of grace, to lead the way. Biz-I hope your team, despite their clown mascot, send the Wobblies home with their chains firmly up their ars*es, just as NZ did.
As far as the rest of that claptrap you keep spouting?
-Go back a few pages where I comprehensively demolished your whining that NZ is a 1 sport country. Remind you that NZ also are the World Cup holders of R League, that sport so popular (no. 1) with the mungoes in Aussie.
-I truly care little about the World Cup, and I do care about the ITm cup, and continual AB success. 9-0.!!! That’s the real deal, not some knock-out tourney every 4 years.
-during the 90’s and early 2000s, you guys had great teams and often beat us. None of the whinging excuses at that time. Now, lose 9-0 and it’s continual blaming refs, cheating, small rugby numbers. I imagine the Cartel would be keen to make it 15-zip by the time of RWC '11.
[quote]Twas a pity that the NZ streets were already adorned with the AB’s RWC winning banners before you had actually won anything. All that unexpected rubbish had to be thrown away and parties cancelled, and the stock market dove 10% the next business day. [/quote]Try to be smarter, your bait is rancid. 
Here’s the weekly Superbru Wrap-up.
Tri-Nations 2010 Round 5
Good week for Matchstick with a spot on prediction, which sweeps the maximum points for him for the week and gives him the Yellow Cap. 
:bravo:
Unfortunately, the Kiwis are still dominating the top four positions, with our man Wairau still entrenched at no.1 with Matchstick and Lyndfield hot on his heels. Not sure what the hell has happened to Almas, but he seems to have forgotten all about his picks…
New Zealand 20 - 10 Australia
Next game:
21 August 2010 South Africa v New Zealand (National Stadium, Soweto)
Currie Cup 2010 Round 5
I got all the winners correct, two bonus points for margin wins and a bonus point to give me the Lion’s Share of the weekly points and thus the Yellow Cap for the week. :discodance: My brother and jimipresley are in hot pursuit in 2nd and 3rd position.
Week’s results:
Blue Bulls 43 - 38 Leopards 
Close one!
Western Province 50 - 3 Griquas
Cheetahs 45 - 30 Pumas
Sharks 48 - 19 Lions
Next Week’s Fixtures:
Griquas v Pumas (Kimberley)
Leopards v Sharks (Phokeng)
Lions v Cheetahs (Johannesburg)
Western Province v Blue Bulls (Cape Town)
My picks in red italics.
NZ ITM Cup 2010 Round 2
A far more interesting competition with some close and hard fought victories. Some surprises, too!
Wasn’t going too well for me, but I managed to good predictions in the last two games to get two hard fought bonus points and steal the lead and the Yellow Cap from Wairau (Kea). :discodance: Tough competing with the Kiwis on their home comp! Wairau and my brother in close at 2nd and 3rd.
Not sure how long it will last, but managed to get to the top of the Kiwi Rugby 2010 pool, also. Wairau in fourth in this pool.
Hopefully the two of us can continue to do well and both get into second and third in this pool for some Forumosan pride!
Week’s results:
Manawatu 26 - 27 Canterbury
Taranaki 33 - 11 Tasman
Hawkes Bay 11 - 30 Bay Of Plenty
Auckland 18 - 21 Waikato
Southland 16 - 12 Otago
Wellington 25 - 31 Counties Manukau
Northland 24 - 25 North Harbour
Next week’s fixtures:
Tasman vs Hawkes Bay
Canterbury vs North Harbour
Bay Of Plenty vs Auckland
Southland vs Counties Manukau
Otago vs Wellington
Northland vs Manawatu
Waikato vs Taranaki
Standings after Round 2: