Russia invades Ukraine: General Discussion 2023

Is there ever proper confirmation during war?

It might be the case that Ukraine are suffering 7 to 1 casualties. Feels unlikely.

I agree with the first part, the second you might be right, but why do you think it is unlikely?

I pretty much agree with both parts – it doesn’t seem super likely to me. But I’m worried by the general vagueness about the alterations, and what else might be similarly dismissed once the media remembers to actually look at the documents, instead of obsessing over the hunt for the leaker and having hilarious conversations about what Discord is.

Well, same question with regards the second part, why is that?

They’d have lost, or would lose very soon.

I mean … 7-to-1 seems extreme given defensive advantage and equal-or-better hardware, I guess. But I’m no military expert.

Meanwhile, what do we think about this alteration claim?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/11/south-korea-leaked-document-ukraine/

I’m no military expert either, but Buhkmut is just about surrounded and by all accounts (including the recently released papers) Ukrainians shoot off about 1k armillary rounds a day compared to 20k by the Russians.

So, not being a tactician or anything, the side which has surrounded the other side and is shooting off 20x the ammunition, most likely has less casualties than those on the receiving end.

I am treating everything related to those documents with suspicion.

We’re discussing a specific battle?

Good overview from a generally reliable Youtuber with no particular axe to grind:

This is all really pathetic any way you look at it

I would not trust him to tell me the time in a room of clocks.

I would trust Carl Bildt (former foreign minister and PM) more than ā€œcakeā€ from forumosa who daily shares Russian propaganda. But hey each to their own I guess!

Post about content and posts, not posters, please and thanks

Interesting:

NATO is looking for a way out of Ukraine according to recent reports. These claims come on the heals of mysteriously time document leaks showing the war in Ukraine is unwinnable for NATO unless it wants to launch WW3. The news also follows recent independent reports showing that Russia just destroyed a heavily fortified underground bunker that housed over 300 top NATO and Ukrainian leaders. Why is the media silent on this story?

A while back on C-SPAN I saw the state dept spokesman talk about grain coming out of Ukraine and Russia, the stuff used by the UN among others to feed the worlds vulnerable. Well, that grain is now being slapped down on the table.

Moscow will shut down the Black Sea Grain deal that allows Ukraine to feed much of the developing world if the Group of Seven nations decides to ban all exports to Russia, a top Russian official said Sunday.

So, according to my memory Syria, Yemen and Somalia will be hard hit.

NATO could just stop sending weapons and assistance at any time, would be easy to come up with an excuse

Putin’s sanity and his nukes are definitely worrisome, but the documents don’t demostrate this as a future certainty.

Foolishly, I went looking for something on this. Best I found were:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/russia-destroys-ukrainian-underground-command-center-with-kinzhal-missile/2561198

After the embarrassing gaff by the Chinese ambassador to France, claiming that in the eyes of international law, sovereignty of all former Soviet states are in question, and massive outcry from multiple East European nations, Xi made his first phone call to Zelenskyy since the invasion.