[quote=“Icon”]Just in: apparently, from 1st to 4th floor,since it was a business area, the owner removed the inner walls from building A to E.
This is very worrisome. It was the same fault that brought down the bank building in Taipei on 921. Moreover, it is still done in thousands of buildings around the island…[/quote]
Were the walls that were removed supporting walls?
[quote=“nonredneck”][quote=“Icon”]Just in: apparently, from 1st to 4th floor,since it was a business area, the owner removed the inner walls from building A to E.
This is very worrisome. It was the same fault that brought down the bank building in Taipei on 921. Moreover, it is still done in thousands of buildings around the island…[/quote]
Were the walls that were removed supporting walls?[/quote]
That is the million dollar question. While no statement was made officially yet, the photos from a resident leave room to believe it could be so.
Up to now, 45 dead. 92 missing.
[quote=“tommy525”][quote=“Icon”]The complex was set like a C, with the buildings on the sides collapsing inward,falling first, and pancaking the rest.
As to the base, the area used to be a lake and fish ponds.[/quote]
Looks to me, from the pics, the center part collapsed and pancaked, while the side towers fell onto their sides. The pancaking of the center probably helped to make the sides lose stability. Reinforced concrete collapses easier then H beam construction. IF the building was constructed of beams instead of reinforced concrete it may have leaned but not collapsed. Although of course there is a limit even with H beam construction. The World Trade Center buildings pancaked and completely fell , and of course buildings of those heights are made of beams.
For people in units that are on their sides, it is a miracle to survive (and many did not). Because to be in a building falling to its side, just think of the force induced when it hits the ground. I note one family of five (I think they were on the 16th floor or some other high floor) were all pulled out, but dead. They were not crushed but died of blunt force trauma (my guess).
The rescuers are very admirable indeed. They are taking big risks themselves crawling all over and into unstable areas.
Looks like all ones that could be extracted have been taken out. Now comes the really hard part.
The pancaked floors may still contain a few survivors, but I think it will be few. And the need to use heavy equipment to lift the debris may shift the pieces and crush some remaining survivors.
Some of them may have lived for a few hours or even a day, but now so many days have gone by , with the cold and all that, chances have reduced greatly.
There are just so many sad stories. Woman rescued because the body of her husband shielded her. But her child that she was preparing to feed was killed and most likely five other members of her family.
A single mom who’s young son was the light of her life. She kept saying how her son gives her strength because she is a single mom and now he is in the rubble, likely passed away.
Just too sad. Incredibly sad actually.[/quote]
So basically this is teh schematic the rescuers are using:
Plus hand drawn plans of each house done by relatives and/or survivors. sigh
Rescued pets:
Appreciate the updates. Jia-you to the rescue teams and their huge efforts. Keep going until there’s no further possible hope.
The rain yesterday was bad news, hopefully that’s not coming back.
Though rain can provide water for dehydrated survivors still waiting to be extracted.
Don’t lose hope. Last night they pulled out a yellow Taiwan dog tugou from the rubble.
Humans have not been that lucky. 94 dead. Still over 30 missing. But miracles can happen.
An Akita was just pulled out.
OTOH, the workers on site are furious, as they keep finding more Styrofoam than concrete. Both on floors and walls. Unless this was a great experiment in insulation, as per the press, at least 50 percent of both concrete and steel bars that should be there are not. sigh
Love seeing the people and animals rescued. Let’s hope there will be more of those.
Looks like it’s just a body recovery effort from now
Final death toll: 116
Rescue efforts completed. All victims accounted for as per official records.
that’s more or less what I thought the dead toll would be when I heard the first day “there are 4 dead and 120 missing”. Obviously it had to be over 100 dead… not good at all, but it could have been worse.
Of the many mysteries in this tragedy since the quake- the greatest being how that thing called building complex stood up for 20 years at all with so many problems- there is one that still has the experts baffled for an explanation:
As per the drawing, some buildings had the most fatalities -A and G-, while others -I and C-saw none and people were rescued with ease.
EDIT: article about it: ettoday.net/news/20160212/64 … ttoday_app
EDIT 2: video about how building A was sunk over 2 meters into the ground from the weight f the H building on top… m.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews … 213/794853
I would imagine that the whole complex was built by the same company. If they used less materials than they should have in one building, it stands to reason all the buildings are like that.
I would think the whole complex would be condemned and demolished.
Has all the rubble been cleared? Truly everyone accounted for? Visitors to the building , people across the street that the building may have fallen on, etc.
How are the wounded coming along?
Whats the latest word
Most rubble has been cleared, except samples for forensic purposes. Some in nearby recycling warehouses.
Yes, they are still looking for missing people. A jogger for instance if I recall.
One injured died.
They are collecting personal stuff and putting in a place where survivors and victims families can comb through and retrieve valuables and mementos. One at a time, they come and pick pictures, clothing, notebooks, schoolbags… There is also a lot of money, some in red envelopes, some just piles of cash people had stacked to give away on the holiday. What cannot be identified will go to the recovery fund.
Insurance payments have hit a snag regarding minors: tw.news.yahoo.com/台南震災罹難者未滿15歲保險不理賠-立委提案修法-113700604.html
Sigh
[quote]Taipei, May 15 (CNA) Many survivors of a housing complex that collapsed during an earthquake in Tainan in February, returned to the site of their former home Sunday for a memorial ceremony to mark the 100th day of the tragedy that took 115 human lives.
They brought sweets, dolls, fresh flowers and paper cranes they had folded by hand to the ceremony, leaving the objects on the ground along with cards, on which they wrote down words of deep sadness for the loss of their family members.
Sunday marked the 100th day since the death of her family members, said Liu Yi-chen (劉怡辰), chair of the Weiguan Jinlong Building Victims Families Association, who lost her husband and three children during the disastrous collapse on Feb. 6.
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The debris of the collapsed building has already been removed, leaving a level, empty lot that is fenced and waiting for its future destiny.
Liu said around 60 percent of the surviving residents wish their homes to be rebuilt through an urban renewal program, while some 20 percent want the land to be sold and the rest are holding a wait-and-see attitude.
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The jerry-built Weiguan Jinlong housing complex in the southern Taiwan municipal city of Tainan collapsed during a magnitude 6.3 earthquake Feb. 6, killing a total of 115 people. Prosecutors indicted five private builders of the building April 7 on charges of “genocide through professional negligence.”
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Wish we could say this is an awakening of sorts. Last Suday, parts of teh ceiling of a school in New Taipei city collapsed, 3 days after the Yilan quakes. Interestingly, the school had been inspected that time and found OK. Parents very much concerned as to why the inspectors were not aware of the danger and why the strcture collapsed 3 days later after the punch.
That building collapse was indeed a tragic occurrence.
[quote=“Icon”]Sigh
[quote]Taipei, May 15 (CNA) Many survivors of a housing complex that collapsed during an earthquake in Tainan in February, returned to the site of their former home Sunday for a memorial ceremony to mark the 100th day of the tragedy that took 115 human lives.
They brought sweets, dolls, fresh flowers and paper cranes they had folded by hand to the ceremony, leaving the objects on the ground along with cards, on which they wrote down words of deep sadness for the loss of their family members.
Sunday marked the 100th day since the death of her family members, said Liu Yi-chen (劉怡辰), chair of the Weiguan Jinlong Building Victims Families Association, who lost her husband and three children during the disastrous collapse on Feb. 6.
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The debris of the collapsed building has already been removed, leaving a level, empty lot that is fenced and waiting for its future destiny.
Liu said around 60 percent of the surviving residents wish their homes to be rebuilt through an urban renewal program, while some 20 percent want the land to be sold and the rest are holding a wait-and-see attitude.
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The jerry-built Weiguan Jinlong housing complex in the southern Taiwan municipal city of Tainan collapsed during a magnitude 6.3 earthquake Feb. 6, killing a total of 115 people. Prosecutors indicted five private builders of the building April 7 on charges of “genocide through professional negligence.”
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“genocide” … ? That’s a bit strong, isn’t it? Random death, even on a large scale, caused by professional negligence is usually considered simple murder.
[quote=“Charlie Phillips”][quote=“Icon”]Sigh
[quote]Taipei, May 15 (CNA) Many survivors of a housing complex that collapsed during an earthquake in Tainan in February, returned to the site of their former home Sunday for a memorial ceremony to mark the 100th day of the tragedy that took 115 human lives.
They brought sweets, dolls, fresh flowers and paper cranes they had folded by hand to the ceremony, leaving the objects on the ground along with cards, on which they wrote down words of deep sadness for the loss of their family members.
Sunday marked the 100th day since the death of her family members, said Liu Yi-chen (劉怡辰), chair of the Weiguan Jinlong Building Victims Families Association, who lost her husband and three children during the disastrous collapse on Feb. 6.
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The debris of the collapsed building has already been removed, leaving a level, empty lot that is fenced and waiting for its future destiny.
Liu said around 60 percent of the surviving residents wish their homes to be rebuilt through an urban renewal program, while some 20 percent want the land to be sold and the rest are holding a wait-and-see attitude.
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The jerry-built Weiguan Jinlong housing complex in the southern Taiwan municipal city of Tainan collapsed during a magnitude 6.3 earthquake Feb. 6, killing a total of 115 people. Prosecutors indicted five private builders of the building April 7 on charges of “genocide through professional negligence.”
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“genocide” … ? That’s a bit strong, isn’t it? Random death, even on a large scale, caused by professional negligence is usually considered simple murder.[/quote]
Maybe if the building was occupied by a single surname clan, like, the Liaos, and someone really had it in for them. That could be genocide.
The translators are not Native speakers and I think there is only one single Native translator there, so he might be excused when stuffed like this is simply thrown over his head -meaning he saw it, corrected it, and someone put it pack just because they say so, as it happens here and in most local government agencies…
I do understand though they tried to say something like “mass murder” or “massacre”. I would translate it not as genocide but more along those lines.