STAR WARS Episode 7 *Spoiler alert*

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[quote=“hansioux”][quote=“ranlee”]

I Hit a road block when explaining Darth Vadar and Kylo Ren’s relationship because I had already named Kylo Ren “面具” (mask guy).[/quote]

Vader can be the 頭盔 guy.[/quote]

I wish I thought of that earlier. I don’t know how I did it, but I succeeded in explaining all her questions.

I’m 100% sure she lied and told me she understood all of it to make me shut up :liar:

Speaking of brats, someone ended up in the ICU bc of spoilers, it’s a good thing you can’t physically hurt someone over the internet…yet.

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@lostinasia @ranlee
Yep this was Los Angeles. From the iconic title crawl/John Williams theme song onwards it was just roar after roars of cheer, woo’s, and thunderous laughter.

@ranlee @hansioux

Because it’s Han freaking Solo! And also yeah it was sorta reminiscent of Empire Strikes Back. Plus a dash of denial.

Some other things from the second viewing:

[spoiler]That orange/white doll Rey has in her home on Jakku - For sure modeled after Luke’s pilot costume. That helmet she wears during her meal (just before meeting BB-8), the rebel pilot helmet. Luke’s eyes welled up with tears after seeing Rey, he was obviously emotional and clearly knows who she is. Yet when Rey met Finn she told him and later Han that she thought Luke and the Jedi were a myth. Whats up with that - theories?

Fun fact: That stormtrooper whom Rey Jedi mind-tricked. It was Bond actor Daniel Craig. I thought it was a rumor (just because it was too convenient, as Spectre and TFA were both shooting at Pinewood in London concurrently), so then took extra notice upon second viewing - 'Tis confirmed.

Fun fact #2: When Anakin/Luke’s lightsaber called to Rey, it gave her visions. If you listen carefully, you’ll hear Alec Guinness himself call out to her: “Rey!” They achieved this by extracting then fine tuning that one syllable from a recording of old Obi-Wan saying the word ‘afraid’. Ewan McGregor also lent his voice for a few lines.[/spoiler]

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[quote=“Rockefeller”]
@ranlee @hansioux

Because it’s Han freaking Solo! And also yeah it was sorta reminiscent of Empire Strikes Back. Plus a dash of denial.

Harrison Ford has been asking for Han Solo to be killed off for a meaningful cause since the Empire Strikes Back. He got what he wanted. Well… I am not exactly sure if his death was heroic or meaningful…

[quote=“Rockefeller”]
Some other things from the second viewing:

That orange/white doll Rey has in her home on Jakku - For sure modeled after Luke’s pilot costume. That helmet she wears during her meal (just before meeting BB-8), the rebel pilot helmet. Luke’s eyes welled up with tears after seeing Rey, he was obviously emotional and clearly knows who she is. Yet when Rey met Finn she told him and later Han that she thought Luke and the Jedi were a myth. Whats up with that - theories?

A twisted theory that wouldn’t happen in a Disney property is that Rey is Luke and Leia’s daughter. Their best move is to have force sensitive people outside the family. So I’m still hoping her parents are Luke’s former students that got killed when Kylo Ren turned on them. Maybe one of her parents were a rebel pilot before the jedi training. Or maybe the helmet is just a piece of junk she picked up and liked it too much to sell it.

[quote=“Rockefeller”]

[spoiler]Fun fact: That stormtrooper whom Rey Jedi mind-tricked. It was Bond actor Daniel Craig. I thought it was a rumor (just because it was too convenient, as Spectre and TFA were both shooting at Pinewood in London concurrently), so then took extra notice upon second viewing - 'Tis confirmed.

Fun fact #2: When Anakin/Luke’s lightsaber called to Rey, it gave her visions. If you listen carefully, you’ll hear Alec Guinness himself call out to her: “Rey!” They achieved this by extracting then fine tuning that one syllable from a recording of old Obi-Wan saying the word ‘afraid’. Ewan McGregor also lent his voice for a few lines.[/spoiler][/quote]

nice. that kind of attention to details is what made the movie great.

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[quote=“Rockefeller”]@lostinasia @ranlee
Yep this was Los Angeles. From the iconic title crawl/John Williams theme song onwards it was just roar after roars of cheer, woo’s, and thunderous laughter.[/quote]

Man, it would’ve been nice to be in that kind of atmosphere.

After seeing it, I read an entire article with easter eggs. I think the most interesting one was Finn’s

FN2187 is also the same cell number that Leia was held captive in the first movie.

Regarding the helmet

There’s an inscription on the helmet in alien wording that spells out “RHAE”. Is it actually hers and she doesn’t know it? It could help explain how she’s an amazing pilot.

[quote=“Rockefeller”]
Some other things from the second viewing:

That orange/white doll Rey has in her home on Jakku - For sure modeled after Luke’s pilot costume. That helmet she wears during her meal (just before meeting BB-8), the rebel pilot helmet. Luke’s eyes welled up with tears after seeing Rey, he was obviously emotional and clearly knows who she is. Yet when Rey met Finn she told him and later Han that she thought Luke and the Jedi were a myth. Whats up with that - theories?

Scroll up the thread for our theories. They’re buried in a lot of spoilers, but they’re there. However,

I did not see Luke’s eyes welling up with tears. Was it something I missed? I thought he was just all stoned faced when he saw Rey. More along the lines of calm shock, if that’s even an expression.

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I saw it again today - and I believe that’s only the second movie I’ve ever seen in 3D (the first was Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten Dreams). I don’t get 3D. OK, it was kind of cool, but I’m not sure it added anything beyond the occasional “Oo! 3D! Wait, I lost focus - what’s going on?” moment. I still enjoyed the film a lot on the second viewing, and also feel better about loving the film this time - after all, I enjoyed Phantom Menace the first time I saw it, and it was only during the second viewing that I started to think “Hey, hold on …”

That number has some kind of importance to Lucas - it appears in a bunch of his movies, for reasons I don’t quite understand.

@Rockefeller, @ranlee, on the final scene:

There are a bunch of ambiguous facial expressions throughout the movie, and those may or may not go anywhere - do remember that Abrams is the man who started Lost, after all. When Rey talked about so much green, Han looked guilty; he often seemed to feel guilty towards her about something. And as for Luke’s final face … loved it. I have no idea what it meant, and it could be read a bunch of ways - I took it as someone recognizing the moment he’d feared, and hoped would never come, has arrived, but who knows. It was probably a better moment of acting than Hamill ever had in the prequels, to be honest! I’m a touch apprehensive about the fact that he’s presumably going to open his mouth in the next film, but I gather he’s done excellent voice work over the years.

On the main character’s back story:

My current favorite theory for Rey is that she’s the child of one of Luke’s students, left in safety after the Knights of Ren did a repeat of Anakin and the Younglings (Worst. Band Name. Ever.) I don’t really believe that, and I wish she was just “nobody”, but the film certainly hasn’t set it up that way. I don’t want her to be related to the Skywalkers, although I grudgingly suspect that’s where it’s going.

A question I have:

[spoiler]When Kylo Ren hands his lightsaber towards his father, did anyone else think he didn’t yet know what he was doing? I read that scene as him not yet knowing what he was going to do, until the sun went out and that pushed him to the dark side. But I’m getting the impression most people think he was planning to kill him all along.

As soon as Chewie and Han split up, I knew one of them wasn’t getting out of that building alive. Initially I feared that Han wouldn’t take a chance to kill Ren, and then Ren would kill Chewie (I think that would have been worse!), but as soon as the Oedipal Bridge of Doom appeared, it was pretty clearly going to be Han.[/spoiler]

If you want more discussion of the film, lots more, The Incomparable already has two episodes - each over two hours - talking about it.

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What everyone’s feeling about Star wars 7 now we don’t have to use the spoiler thing.

I personally liked it, but did not love it. The way Han died was just not cool, it was too predictable and so not a Han Solo way to die.

Star Killer was lame. They seriously couldn’t think of a better plot? It just didn’t seem “evil” enough. I didn’t get a sense that the 1st order was all that bad. Like when the 1st death star destroyed princess Leia’s home planet in front of her. What planets did the Star Killer destroy… I don’t care and that seems to be a problem.

And Ren looks like a young Professor snape lol

Other than that, the acting was superb.

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OK, here’s what I’m wondering about.

So, Starkiller Base destroys several planets and/or moons, which all seem to be in the exact same star system. But this all takes place within sight of our heroes, who are on Maz Kanata’s planet. So her planet is in the same system as the Republic? (If it were in another system, the destruction of a planet would not be visible to the naked eye, plus the light from the explosion would take years to reach another system anyway.)

Also, Starkiller Base gets its energy from the star it orbits. But once it uses up the star’s energy, what does it do? Freeze into an iceblock? Move through hyperspace to another system? (But it’s a planet with an atmosphere… how does that work?) In the movie, it’s used once, and then is preparing to be used a second time. Did it move to another star system? Or did the sun have enough power only for two charges?

It’s also quite derivative: bad guys capture good guy who puts sought-after data in a droid, and the bad guys figure it out and search for the droid. Droid escapes desert planet on Millennium Falcon, and is eventually delivered to good guys who launch an attack on a planet-destroying base. Hmmmm…

But overall, I really enjoyed it, and will see it again. Despite its flaws, it was very well done and it recaptures the spirit of Star Wars that was lacking in the prequels. Plus it’s funnier than the others, and the humor has some of the improv feel found in Ep. IV and V.

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Mods, since there’s already quite a bit of discussion in the other Star Wars VII thread, maybe you could join these two up, and just add “SPOILERS!!!” to the title of the other one? And those posting in the other thread can just abandon the spoiler tags now.

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[quote=“lostinasia”]
@Rockefeller, @ranlee, on the final scene:

There are a bunch of ambiguous facial expressions throughout the movie, and those may or may not go anywhere - do remember that Abrams is the man who started Lost, after all. When Rey talked about so much green, Han looked guilty; he often seemed to feel guilty towards her about something. And as for Luke’s final face … loved it. I have no idea what it meant, and it could be read a bunch of ways - I took it as someone recognizing the moment he’d feared, and hoped would never come, has arrived, but who knows. It was probably a better moment of acting than Hamill ever had in the prequels, to be honest! I’m a touch apprehensive about the fact that he’s presumably going to open his mouth in the next film, but I gather he’s done excellent voice work over the years.

I think everyone will read the last scene differently @lostinasia

How I interpreted Luke’s expression was both wtf and fear that the day has finally come. It’s so clear he knows who Rey is, but he looked super confused as to why the hell she had his lightsaber (that seemed to be in pristine condition after taking a fall from the sky in episode 5 btw). Has no one thought of this approach yet? He hasn’t seen that lightsaber for over 30+ years! Going along the lines of lostinasia’s theory that Rey is a nobody, maybe Luke is just flabbergasted that his lightsaber was found, not realizing that Rey, whoever the F she is, has awakened.

@lostinasia:

[quote=“lostinasia”]A question I have:

When Kylo Ren hands his lightsaber towards his father, did anyone else think he didn’t yet know what he was doing? I read that scene as him not yet knowing what he was going to do, until the sun went out and that pushed him to the dark side. But I’m getting the impression most people think he was planning to kill him all along.

I definitely think that he was unsure of himself. Even though in the beginning of the movie he said he would complete the task.

@lostinasia

“I have a bad feeling about this” rang through my head when it happened. Remember the last time they split up? Someone ended up in carbonite!

Everyone is seeing the movie a second time. Am I suppose to break my rule of seeing the same movie twice in theaters now?

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I’m sure Rockefeller would be along to move the thread sooner or later after he sees the movie for the third time.

Andrew0409, I don’t really see an issue with using the spoiler function in the other thread, no one was really having issues?

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I only do it for the fantasy worlds I grew up in and love: the Star Wars universe and Middle-earth. (And I didn’t stick to that for Parts II and III of the prequels, or Part III of The Hobbit). I enjoyed it differently the second time. The first time … [edited to add spoilers]

it was the pan reveal of the Millennium Falcon that elicited the biggest (and rather embarrassing) gasp/emotional upwelling; second time, it was when Rey took the lightsaber from the snow.

Plus the second time I had the chance to look for the little details that I’d read about since the movie was released. And, as I’ve said before, it was reassuring: Phantom Menace started to collapse on my second viewing; this one actually got stronger.

It does amuse me that 2015 will end with me having only seen one film in a theatre this year, and that one twice.

On the final scene:

[spoiler]presumably Luke’s force-sense should have told him that Han has died; and his normal senses should have made him aware that the Millennium Falcon landed a couple of kilometers away. (The guy could have gone down the stairs a bit, but whatever.) And I assume that Luke left the map for a reason - he planned for someone to find him, presumably if the need arose, or particular circumstances were met. He shouldn’t be shocked that someone has come, but perhaps he’s shocked about who it is.

When Rey was going up the stairs, there was some kind of little wooden box at one point. Did I imagine that? Anyone have any ideas what that was?[/spoiler]

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Okay, so now my question to all you guys: Of all the theories (on Han, Kylo Ren, Rey, Luke), which one(s) is/are your personal favorite that you hope could happen, and which one(s) is/are objectively the most probable that would happen?

@lostinasia
-Apprehension on watching Luke actually talk
-“Oedipal bridge of doom”
Let’s be friends.

On rewatching: YES. I’m literally sitting in a theater waiting for my third viewing. Nobody’s judging, God knows when the next time you get to see it on the big screen will be. And no, mom, it’s not gonna be the same on an iPad!

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I know for a fact there are casual moviegoers who are curious about Star Wars reactions to get them off the darn fence (beats me, I see this has a total no-brainer).

Feel free to post spoilers guys, but let’s just give the regular folk at least one week for them to see the film. I kindly ask you to add the spoiler tag until Saturday morning. I’ll likely merge another thread here when time comes as well.

Thanks guys, and may the Force be with you.

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[quote=“lostinasia”]

it was the pan reveal of the Millennium Falcon that elicited the biggest (and rather embarrassing) gasp/emotional upwelling; second time, it was when Rey took the lightsaber from the snow.

My gasps for air happened at the same exact times, however, the second instance for me was when

Rey turned on the lightsaber and had the “bring it fool” face.

Haha, this made me lol in silent at my desk. Seriously though, what an inconsiderate douche. Greeting his guests would’ve been nice. Being as that was his home.

If it rains this weekend when my friend from HK is in town,(and if he hasn’t seen it yet) I may try to convince him to see it.

Someone has to shed some light on

The weapon the storm trooper used to fight Finn (wielding a light saber) at the battle outside the bar. Similar to the one Grevious used against Obi Wan in Ep3?

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[quote=“Rockefeller”]I know for a fact there are casual moviegoers who are curious about Star Wars reactions to get them off the darn fence (beats me, I see this has a total no-brainer).

Feel free to post spoilers guys, but let’s just give the regular folk at least one week for them to see the film. I kindly ask you to add the spoiler tag until Saturday morning. I’ll likely merge another thread here when time comes as well.

Thanks guys, and may the Force be with you.[/quote]

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@lostinasia @ranlee Yes and Yes!

By the way, Idk if it’s been discussed, but how come none of the villains’ names were darth-something? Clearly the supreme leader, from both marketing and in the film portray him as a master of the dark side of the force. Kylo Ren’s just been marketed/presented as that name, not Darth Kylo Ren. I thought all Siths had that prefix.

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Icon, apologies if I spoiled something for you! At this point I’m sort of assuming that anyone who’s reading this thread has already seen the films.

[quote=“ranlee”]Someone has to shed some light on

The weapon the storm trooper used to fight Finn (wielding a light saber) at the battle outside the bar. Similar to the one Grevious used against Obi Wan in Ep3?

I know nothing from the expanded universe, but here’s my meta, rather than in-story explanation:

I read the storm trooper’s weapon as a way to justify Finn’s reasonable competence with a light saber. “Look! See! Storm troopers use different kinds of weapons, so Finn should have had training in this kind of thing!”

Darth-Not-Darth: I guess they’re not Sith, they’re Knights of Ren, and only Sith get the Darth title. I have no idea what the difference is: there are always two Sith (one of those dumb illogical rules from the prequels), and they got wiped out in Vader’s murder-suicide? So now there can be no more Sith?

One Sith theory that contradicts the above:

[strike]Gollum[/strike] Snoke or whatever his name is is the Sith Lord that Palpatine describes to Anakin back in #3 - the one that learned how to defeat death. No plausible reason for thinking this, beyond the fact that this aged and apparently very powerful Force-user presumably needs to be explained somehow.

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[quote=“Rockefeller”]
By the way, Idk if it’s been discussed, but how come none of the villains’ names were darth-something? Clearly the supreme leader, from both marketing and in the film portray him as a master of the dark side of the force. Kylo Ren’s just been marketed/presented as that name, not Darth Kylo Ren. I thought all Siths had that prefix.[/quote]

I’m sure someone with a little more expanded universe or canon knowledge than me can explain better, but I think the more straight forward explanation is that Kylo Ren is not a Sith yet. Sith Lords are given the title of “Darth” (Darth Maul/Darth Tyranus(Count Dooku)/Darth Vadar/Darth Sidious).

Another theory is…if you noticed when Rey

touched the lightsaber, there’s a short glimpse of Kylo Ren and a few other cloaked figures behind him. I think I heard something about that he’s part of the Dark Knights of Ren or something along those lines. Thus his name is Kylo, but the “Darth” name given to the previous Sith Lords has been altered as “Ren” in the new trilogy? Someone has to clarify this statement though.This is just a speculation.

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[quote=“Rockefeller”]
By the way, Idk if it’s been discussed, but how come none of the villains’ names were darth-something? Clearly the supreme leader, from both marketing and in the film portray him as a master of the dark side of the force. Kylo Ren’s just been marketed/presented as that name, not Darth Kylo Ren. I thought all Siths had that prefix.[/quote]

He’s not Sith. They didn’t go into it in the movie yet, but marketing materials have stated that Kylo Ren is a member of the Knights of Ren. I assume that “Ren” is a title/rank of that organization much like “Darth” is a title/rank of the Sith. It is clear that the Knights of Ren are trained in the Dark Side of the Force, but it is unclear what their relationship is to the Sith. Are they the remnants of the Sith? Have they overthrown the Sith? Are they wannabe Sith? Are they a competing Dark Side clan to the Sith? We don’t know yet. Or it may even be possible that “Ren” is not a title/rank of the organization and, instead, the group is named after Kylo Ren. Perhaps when Kylo Ren rebelled against his master (Luke) and turned on the Jedi, he and his fellow traitors called themselves the Knights of Ren…

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[quote=“Taiwanguy”][quote=“Rockefeller”]
By the way, Idk if it’s been discussed, but how come none of the villains’ names were darth-something? Clearly the supreme leader, from both marketing and in the film portray him as a master of the dark side of the force. Kylo Ren’s just been marketed/presented as that name, not Darth Kylo Ren. I thought all Siths had that prefix.[/quote]

He’s not Sith. They didn’t go into it in the movie yet, but marketing materials have stated that Kylo Ren is a member of the Knights of Ren. I assume that “Ren” is a title/rank of that organization much like “Darth” is a title/rank of the Sith. It is clear that the Knights of Ren are trained in the Dark Side of the Force, but it is unclear what their relationship is to the Sith. Are they the remnants of the Sith? Have they overthrown the Sith? Are they wannabe Sith? Are they a competing Dark Side clan to the Sith? We don’t know yet. Or it may even be possible that “Ren” is not a title/rank of the organization and, instead, the group is named after Kylo Ren. Perhaps when Kylo Ren rebelled against his master (Luke) and turned on the Jedi, he and his fellow traitors called themselves the Knights of Ren…

With regards to Kylo Ren…

Have we all established that Kylo Ren is indeed a padawan learner of Luke turned Dark Side? I mean all fingers point in that direction, but it’s still assumption at this point, right?