Submarine Sandwich Rolls

I give up!!! I have been searching and have been experimenting with 11 in. sub rolls for the past 5 months. (The kind you get at SUBWAY & SUBBER)

Does anyone know where I can purchase some rolls that are the kind you get a good ole fashioned submarine sandwich in the states on? SUBWAY imports theirs frozen from down under to retain the same consistency all over the world, and unfortunately my establishment is not large enough for them to import for us.

I have tried making a frenchbread-type but just not the soft heavy kind of texture and taste.

If anyone knows of a bakery ANYWHERE in Taiwan or has a recipe for such a roll, please help me. I am literally at my wits end.

Thanks

I had hoped someone would have a better reference than what I have found. I also looked and looked for good sub bread and had the same luck. The best I was able to come up with is the bread that they serve the roasted chipped chicken breast sandwiches on. These are the night market vendors that have a spit of chicken breasts being raosted in front of a gas flame. I bought some rolls off a vendor in Banciao and they made pretty good subs. I also noticed that there is a phone number on the package the rolls came in. I don’t have it anymore but I think that if this will work for you, you could probably look around for a vendor, get the number and find a bakery that sells them.

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  1. Honey ‘N’ Oat’s Bread
    Recipe By :recipeland.com
    Serving Size : 12 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Bread Machine Bread/Rolls
    Copycat Restaurant Recipe

Amount Measure Ingredient – Preparation Method


ONE & A HALF POUND LOAF
1/2 cup Old-fashioned rolled oats
1 cup buttermilk – see directions
1 large egg
1 1/2 cups whole wheat flour
1 1/2 cups bread flour
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 1/2 tablespoons honey
1/4 teaspoon active dry yeast – Red Starr Brand;see directions
ONE POUND LOAF
1/3 cup Old-fashioned rolled oats
3/4 cup buttermilk – see directions
1 medium egg
1 cup whole wheat flour
1 cup bread flour
1 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon honey
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
2 teaspoons active dry yeast – Red Starr Brand, see directions

Reconstituted dry buttermilk powder may be used instead of fresh buttermilk. Use 4 tb. dry buttermilk and 1 cup water for 1-1/2 lb. loaf (if using Welbilt/Dak machine, add 2 tb. more buttermilk as well). Use 3 tb. buttermilk and 3/4 cup water for 1-pound loaf (for Welbilt machine add 1 tb. more buttermilk).

Use 4 teaspoons yeast for 1-1/2-pound loaf IF NOT USING RED STAR brand. One-pound size loaf measurement does not change.

The egg and oats lend a wonderful rich, creamy flavor to this bread. Serve it with a crock of sweet butter and homemade preserves. Place all ingredients in bread pan, select Light Crust setting, and press Start.

After baking cycle ends, remove bread from pan, place on cake rack, brush with melted butter and sprinkle with some lightly toasted coats and allow to cool 1 hour before slicing.

  1. Sub Rolls

14 lb bread flour
4 liter water @ 100 degrees
6 tbl sp active dry yeast
3 oz salt
4 oz sugar
6 oz melted margarine

add the yeast to water, stir and let it soak for 10 minutes.
add the salt & sugar to the flour. Then, after yeast is ready,
mix it into flour and after a minute or 2 add the melted margarine.
Let it mix for about 5 - 7 minutes.

Pull dough and let it rest for 10 minutes , then portion 9 oz rolls
( 10") and proof them for about 35 minutes (we use the oven pilots)
then we bake em in the deck ovens at 425 for 15 minutes.
The yield will be about 3 dozen.


Sub Rolls

Flour (11.5-12.5% protein) - 100%
Salt - 2.00%
Sugar - 2.00%
Yeast (compresse/fresh)- 2.00%
Shortening - 6.00%
Water (50F)- 57%

Mix to form well developed dough, finished temperature 80-85F.

Allow to ferment 1.5 hours. Remix dough until smooth consistency,
then divide into desired weights. and shape. Place shaped dough
pieces onto a sheet pan, and allow to proof/rise 45-60 minutes.

Bake at 400-425F for 15-18 minutes

50 rolls X 4 ounces each = 200 ounces/12.5# of dough needed.
The sum of all of the ingredients in baker’s % is 167%. Divide this
by 100 = 1.67
Divide the dough weight by 1.67 to get the amount of flour needed.
12.5# divided by 1.67 = 7.48# (call it 7.5# of flour)
Now, for the rest of the ingredients:
Salt: .02 X 7.5# = .15#/2.4 ounces.(2.5 ounces)
Yeast: .02 X 7.5# = .15#/2.4 ounces.
Shuar: .02 X 7.5# = .15#/2.4 ounces.
Shortening: .06 X 7.5# = .45#/7.2 ounces.(7.25 ounces)
Water:.57 X 7.5# = 4.275# (68.5 ounces)

25 rolls with a scaling weight of 6 ounces each.
25 X 6 ounces = 150 ounces/9.375# of dough will be needed.
9.375# diviede by 1.67 = 5.61#(90 ounces) of flour will be needed
for this dough.
Salt: .02 X 90 ounces of flour = 1.8 ounces.
Sugar: .02 X 90 ounces of flour = 1.8 ounces.
Yeast: .02 X 90 ounces of flour = 1.8 ounces
Shortening: .06 X 90 ounces of flour = 5.4 ounces.
Water: .57 X 90 ounces of flour = 51.3 ounces/3.2# of water.

You can round the weights UP to the nearest 1/4 ounce or leave
them as they are, depending upon your scale calibrations.

For lighter rolls, all you need to do is to allow them to rise a
little longer. 30 minutes final proofing time is a bit on the short
side. I normally use something closer to 45 to 60 minutes, but it
will vary to some extent. Also, be sure to keep the rolls wet/damp
during the final proofing (rising) phase. This should help quite a
bit.

I guess you could spray them with salt water, I always use just
plain old tap water. Here is what I do: Take a 4 to 6 ounce dough
piece, form into a ball, and set aside on the bency for about 20
minutes or so. Cover with a sheet of plastic to prevent drying
(dust the tops with flour to prevent the plastic from sticking.
Using your sheeter or a rolling pin, sheet out the dough balls
as if you were making a dough skin about 1/8 inch thick. Take the
two sides (left and right) and fold them towards the middle of the
dough piece to get the length you want (usually about 7-inches).
Now, roll the dough up like a jelly roll to form the bun, then
roll under your hands to even the rolled dough out. Place it with
the seam side down on your baking trays. Be sure to place them
about 2-inches apart. Lightly mist with water and put into a
proofing cabinet or on a rack that you can cover with plastic to
proof the rolls. If proofing in a rack covered with plastic, you
will need to mist the rolls every 15 to 20 minutes or so.
Without a proofer, it could take an hour or more to proof the rolls.
You will need to experiment. Go by appearance more than by time as
the time will change without a proof box. Just before placing the
rolls in the oven, make a few French cuts across the top of each
roll. The cuts should be made about 3/16 of an inch deep. Look at
some commercial rolls for an example. If the rolls collapse when
you cut them, you are either cutting too deep, or the rolls are
over proofed. If the rolls split and bulge during baking, you may
not be cutting deep enough, or the rolls are under proofed.

Why not get a baguette? Lot’s of bakers have basic, ok ones for 30nt. City super and the baker at the bottom of wei fong has great baguettes for like 50 -75nt.

I love a sandwich with a good crust.

[quote=“Elegua”]Why not get a baguette? Lot’s of bakers have basic, ok ones for 30nt. City super and the baker at the bottom of wei fong has great baguettes for like 50 -75nt.

I love a sandwich with a good crust.[/quote]
Me too. I can’t imagine why anyone would actually seek out the shitty bread they use at Subway. Airy, texture-and-taste-free, crustless, oversoft crap. Baguettes are a MUCH better option, and a lot easier to source, too.

[quote=“sandman”][quote=“Elegua”]Why not get a baguette? Lot’s of bakers have basic, ok ones for 30nt. City super and the baker at the bottom of wei fong has great baguettes for like 50 -75nt.

I love a sandwich with a good crust.[/quote]
Me too. I can’t imagine why anyone would actually seek out the shitty bread they use at Subway. Airy, texture-and-taste-free, crustless, oversoft crap. Baguettes are a MUCH better option, and a lot easier to source, too.[/quote]

My only complaint was/is that the bread isn’t ready until 1-2 in the afternoon so you have to buy it the day before :frowning:

And so in this humidty it ends up like a Subway food case (let’s not call it bread).

What is it with these people, can’t they get even a smidegeon of bread culture into their damned heads? I mean, look at the Vietnamese, they have baguettes down pat AND they make a decent coffee.

I suspect the bread in Taiwan would have been a lot better if Taiwan was colonised by the French and not a defacto US colony. I’m also sure that Spam and watery macaroni wouldn’t have become the national breakfast dish of HK if it had been French. Hell, the French might have even gotten the Cantos to eat decently!

HG

And so in this humidty it ends up like a Subway food case (let’s not call it bread).

What is it with these people, can’t they get even a smidegeon of bread culture into their damned heads? I mean, look at the Vietnamese, they have baguettes down pat AND they make a decent coffee.

I suspect the bread in Taiwan would have been a lot better if Taiwan was colonised by the French and not a defacto US colony. I’m also sure that Spam and watery macaroni wouldn’t have become the national breakfast dish of HK if it had been French. Hell, the French might have even gotten the Cantos to eat decently!

HG[/quote]

I am fully down with what you are saying. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos all have awesome awesome bread, but the Thai’s do not. Thats colonization. The Phillipines have the most godawful food on earth. Blame the Spaniards.

:laughing: Yeah. But then instead of red bean paste, everything would have goose liver smush in it.

Hmm, I’m not seeing the downside on this one. :laughing:

As for the Philippines, I blame AmeriKKKa, probably a relative of George Bush, an earlier Skull and Bones man to be sure.

HG

Hmm, I’m not seeing the downside on this one. :laughing:

As for the Philippines, I blame AmeriKKKa, probably a relative of George Bush, an earlier Skull and Bones man to be sure.

HG[/quote]

The Philippines is the first country where I’ve found the food to be extremely dissapointing. Best dish is like bbq bacon with some kind of sour veggies/sauce on it.

Has anyone seen curved pans in Taipei similar to this for letting the dough rise and/or bake for French bread and similar loaves?


I’ll improvise if I have to, but if nice ones are available I might just buy them. Some of the ones I’ve seen online are perforated and nonstick. I think I’ll be baking my own bread more often in the future, since there’s so little conveniently available here (by which I mean, Tianmu, Jason’s etc. are out of my way).

Taiwanese people don’t like their bread toasted. Subway must have paid a lot of money to bring in the new-fangled high-speed toasters, but the majority of customers, who are Taiwanese, like their bread soft. Now Subway just uses the microwave to heat the bread up.

According to one of the employees at Subway I spoke to, very few Taiwanese people and only half of the foreigners like toasted bread, so the high-speed toasting oven is never even turned on anymore.

Would Taiwanese people enjoy eating subs on French bread? My guess is that they would not.

Dunno… I think it’s because they just don’t know. If you look at all the other shite that is put on those poor sandwiches…it just brings one to tears…

Since I’ve introduced my friends to a proper sandwich on proper bread I get a lot of requests.
I made grilled italian sausage (OK sausages from the TianMu Butcher) sandwiches with fried onions, oven roast garlic , fried green peppers with a decent mustard and good beer for lunch on a baguette from the local bakery. They looked at me funny at first - like this is lunch?, but then proceeded to eat every sausage in the house - about 18 sausages and 3 loaves of bread for 5 people of whom 3 were women. Bastards finished off the last of my good mustard.

Yeah, I made sandwiches last night with toasted, freshly baked homemade French bread, homemade pesto, paper-thin beef strips, onions and garlic grilled in olive oil on a hot cast-iron skillet, homemade cocktail sauce, ham, swiss, gouda, sundried tomatoes, lettuce and olives, or something like that. Yummeeeeee!

Oh, I’m considering havnig a metal shop bend some sheet metal to make the abovementioned racks
to my own specifications. Donald has suggested that I start with a piece of teflon-coated metal like an edgeless baking sheet. My question for you is, will a teflon coating flake off when the metal is bent?

[quote=“Dragonbones”]Yeah, I made sandwiches last night with toasted, freshly baked homemade French bread, homemade pesto, paper-thin beef strips, onions and garlic grilled in olive oil on a hot cast-iron skillet, homemade cocktail sauce, ham, swiss, gouda, sundried tomatoes, lettuce and olives, or something like that. Yummeeeeee!

Oh, I’m considering havnig a metal shop bend some sheet metal to make the abovementioned racks
to my own specifications. Donald has suggested that I start with a piece of teflon-coated metal like an edgeless baking sheet. My question for you is, will a teflon coating flake off when the metal is bent?[/quote]

Yum & I have no f’ing clue. But teflon bad! Don’t spend too much money on anything teflon as you usually have to throw it away in a year or two.

Why? I take good care of my nonstick skillet and muffin pans, and they have lasted many years. By good care I mean:

Skillet: I use only plastic utensils on it, don’t pile dishes or pans atop it in the sink, and use a soft scouring pad to clean it.

Muffin pans: same, plus I put it in a heavy plastic bag for storage after it’s dry.

Why? I take good care of my nonstick skillet and muffin pans, and they have lasted many years. By good care I mean:

Skillet: I use only plastic utensils on it, don’t pile dishes or pans atop it in the sink, and use a soft scouring pad to clean it.

Muffin pans: same, plus I put it in a heavy plastic bag for storage after it’s dry.[/quote]

That’s probably why yours last and mine don’t. :slight_smile:

I never liked them, and when they found out they contaminate the food, I felt vindicated. I only keep a teflon muffin pan and one small skillet for crepes or something hard to do. If you use the spay pam or olive oil mister you can get almost the same effect.

I can use less oil with a nonstick, which is healthier. And they don’t release carcinogens unless you grossly overheat them, or so I’m told (i.e., don’t use them to brown a steak at smoking oil temperatures, and you’ll be fine).

EDIT: Hoooooooooooooooo! I scored a nice three-loaf perforated, teflon-coated aluminum alloy baguette pan at the baking supply store under the Minquan bridge, 14.5" x 10.5", for only NT$500 tonight. That’s JUST small enough to fit in the typical Sunpentown-type electric ovens you can get at local appliance stores (the largest Taiwanese type, but smaller than Westerns).

The store also had Silpat mats and baking sheets, all hidden away (you have to ask).

I’m very surprised by this statement because at my two restaurants the high speed toasters are almost in constant use during the lunch and dinner rush, and that’s from both foreign and local customers. Which SUBWAY™ restaurant was this in?