i dont think weed is such a big deal. it is legal in netherlands afterall. and you can legally use it in some u.s. states if you have a cannabis card. i prefer edibles myself as i dont like smoking and smoking cause cancer.
Taiwan and lack of a drug problem… 
Just the title of this thread. Just silly. Yes there is a drug problem here. Is it of the same nature as in the “west” …No. But there is a problem.
I teach mostly adults and 2 cops that used to come to class have both stated. “Yes we have a drug problem in Taiwan and it will probably get worse.” They said that 15 years ago it was not nearly as bad as it is now. Several students have told me what their college and HS classmates are doing/did and a few girls now in their 20’s have actually stated up front in class what they were doing at 18-19. You know (snort, puff puff, pills). Including drug parties they attended. One guy flat out asked me after class if I knew how to get drugs! And the cheap meds from the hospital don’t always just sit in the fridge.
What more is needed to have “A problem”, Pacino and an M-16?
only sure fire way to make a drug problem worse is declare war on drugs and aim for prohibition.
History tends to repeat itself.
Here it think the issue is more in the life of penalties for different classes of drugs. But they tend to think of some soft drugs as hard, which is not uncommon around the globe. Got to remember how some hard drugs actually do help make more money in industry as well. If anyone really cares to see how drug deals are often done, drive around farm country and down some small roads. chances are that if there are a couple or more people there that look like they are up to something, its often that. i only just started really noticing that 2 years ago when my wife pointed out that the while we ere collecting bean seeds from a fence there were 4 guys there exchanging amphetamine and she wanted to leave.
i almost wish i could have one student say they did something in plant form rather than the usual ecstacy, amphetamines, ketamine and meds. Though in the end, people are people and they have their right to kill them self as does anyone else. We help any students we have when and where we can, but adults as far as im concerned are old enough to be able to decide for them self 
Despite the massive quantity of drugs here, there is a REALLY low crime rate it seems (just an observation, nothing factual), and for this i am thinking it has to do with the really strong family bonds found here.
Amphetamine addiction is a big problem in today’s youth of Taiwan.
So is that K-tamin drug.
Here is another clip in todays news of a group of people who befriend young girls who are still students and take them out to ktvs , etc and get them hooked on amphetamines then force them to sell themselves for sex in order to feed their habit.
ya its really sad. I’m not going to watch that as i get disturbed by it, we see it now and then with some students or friends of nephews as well. of all the things to get high on in Taiwan, that shit is probably close to the worst.
I just saw a little something about how law enforcements have difficulty getting surveillance warrants to monitor night clubs and bars for drug use, and some expert says how category 2 drugs should be decriminalized. But it turns out the reason things like K-tamine is popular is because use of those drugs have relatively minor penalties, like fines and stuff.
Despite the massive quantity of drugs here, there is a REALLY low crime rate it seems (just an observation, nothing factual), and for this I am thinking it has to do with the really strong family bonds found here.[/quote]
this is part of what i mean by drug “problem” (and maybe i shouldve reworded the title better). it’s one thing if people want to do drugs recreationally in their own privacy as it’s their own choice and if drugs are available out there you really cant stop people from using them. BUT it becomes a problem when their drug use negatively affects society as a whole like when the drug use becomes an addiction and takes control of their lives and they need to go out and commit crimes like rob/steal/kill in order to fund their drug use or they become hoodlums and a general nuisance to society. that happens in the west more than i think it does in taiwan. i think everyone agrees with that. and i just wonder why such problems that exist in the west doesnt seems to exist in taiwan even tho drugs are available in taiwan. so i really think it’s cultural.
Yes, it’s cultural for sure. Also the police here are not on a witch hunt for drugs like they are in places like the US.
More specific than cultural is the family i think. In the west we tend to raise kids in a slightly more tough fashion, here they are often spoiled in that they don’t have to work hard to get what they need. if they mess up they tend to get a tongue lashing, maybe a light beat, then they are spoiled again. In the west, there si more of a “get it right or get out” attitude. So families here will absorb all forms of failure and still put up with their children, even into adulthood. the west will kick them to the curb. generally speaking, there are good and bad parents in both lands, but in general i think the west is more loving and patient with children but the parents here are willing to put up with far more BS from their kids, though that doesn’t mean its a happy home. All the homes i know that have drug issues tend to constantly fight here. They are not in prison, but life is made fairly unhappy. I include alcohol in this.
interesting. Im sure in the city its different, but i wonder if ion the country things like pot are often put through harsher is because the cops just dont see it much and have little idea what it is. Here cops will let kids drive motorcycles without any helmets. when they get stopped now what decides if they get a ticket is if they have those obnoxious sounding horns. if not they are free to go. even if you get a ticket you are free to drive away being underage. So the cops are lazy and useless most often. they see the drugs mentioned above probably daily and know exactly what they are about and probably even the exact house they came from. But things like pot and mushrooms are just so rare in many areas that they are likely curious about what the hell it is and dont let the person off.
It would be interesting to find out the letter of the law in terms of possession charges for different common controlled substances here.
Here is the laws (in Chinese):
wmsg01.csu.edu.tw/csitshow/arm/f … _d/g/d.htm
Penalties for smuggling, producing, or selling is much harsher than using. I believe in general if you get caught using for the first time there is no jail term, but you would have to go through rehab which is just like prison or something. There are 4 categories, it is as follows:
Category 1: Heroin, Opium, crack cocaine,etc.
Category 2: Amphetamine, meth, “weed”, etc.
Category 3: K-tamine, Ecstasy, etc
Category 4: Mostly sniffable glues and stuff…
The penalty for use, possession, sale, smuggling, and manufacturing is higher the higher the category.
thats like a total contradiction. you said western parents will kick their kids to the curb if they dont eventually get it right yet they are more patient and loving than taiwanese parents who will absorb all forms of failure and keep putting up with their kids bs?? then i would think the taiwanese parents are the more patient and loving ones.
this is off topic but speaking of Justin Lee, I found out where to get the sex videos online, the real ones. But not sure if I wanna download them. Are they busting people who download it also? or they mainly go after sites who sell them and distribute them, or people who upload and share/sell? lol dont want neighbors to see me when cops come to my apt for dl those videos.
pervert. :ohreally:
I’ve been away from the forum for a month… Who is Justin Lee? No, I will not google it while at the work desk.
I’ve been away from the forum for a month… Who is Justin Lee? No, I will not google it while at the work desk.[/quote]
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ya seems it but Taiwan is the land of opposites and oxymorons.
here there is a lot more verbal and physical abuse, but they stick together. When i was here and had to deal with family abusing my wife, it was eventually explained to me like this. In Taiwanese culture you can call your sister a bitch adn it will all be forgiven the next day. But if another calls your sister a bitch, you and your famil ywil leb tehre to back her up in an instant.
the west seems more patient in that they will actually spend time with their children teaching them. going to forests and learning little things. spending hours just answering stupid repetitive questions etc. here, people tend to pass their kids off to someone else to raise as they dont have time (*should say dont make time). So the 2 cultures have extremes of perhaps poor parenting, but they also have good aspects. the difference is that they are like yin and yang when compared to each other.
If you could make a family as caring and loving as a good western home and as strong and united as an eastern one, you would really get somewhere in this world.
for drugs, in the west there is FAR more education about realities. there is still lots of negative scare tactics for sure. But it is freely discussed in the open outside of schools and institutions. here not so much. So it seems that in the west people are expected to be more educated about drugs and if they cant get their shit together at home there is a greater chance of getting the boot to go get it straight without killing the family. Here its almost like they will die protecting their child instead of kicking them out. that doesnt make it a happy home, just a full one.
thats just generally how i have seen it on both sides most often. there are exceptions to both sides.
I’ve never been in a Taiwanese school so I do not know how much education is given on drugs. However I can tell you (with my limited experience in the military where people are sort of treated like children too) is that regarding drugs it’s “don’t do it or go anywhere near it”, and also how great is the punishment for those. For drunk driving all they showed was videos of accidents and pictures of all the bloody result of drunk driving, but not so much on the facts of alcohol.
However in the US the education we got regarding drugs was “don’t do it”, although we were never told what the penalties are we were taught to avoid peer pressure regarding drugs.
I’ve been away from the forum for a month… Who is Justin Lee? No, I will not google it while at the work desk.[/quote]
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Cheers for the link. Wow, he needs these girls to be like dead fishes to get his jollies off?
I’ve been away from the forum for a month… Who is Justin Lee? No, I will not google it while at the work desk.[/quote]
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Cheers for the link. Wow, he needs these girls to be like dead fishes to get his jollies off?[/quote]
it looks like it from what I have heard, he is really a sick man.
I think everyone is downloading it? if you just download it and not selling it or uploading it…you should be ok from the authorities?
I’ve been away from the forum for a month… Who is Justin Lee? No, I will not google it while at the work desk.[/quote]
This is a safe for work link: taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ … 2003539931[/quote]
Cheers for the link. Wow, he needs these girls to be like dead fishes to get his jollies off?[/quote]
it looks like it from what I have heard, he is really a sick man.
I think everyone is downloading it? if you just download it and not selling it or uploading it…you should be ok from the authorities?[/quote]
Why do you want this illegal shit on your hard-drive?
If you feel the need for watching porn go to a Motel.
What a legal advice (you should be ok from the authorities)
You could be ko when ever the authorities search your hard drive!
Also downloading porn has another problem. You’ll never really know the age of the ‘actors’.
They can be anything between 14 and 34 and if you are unlucky, you’ll be on the news for downloading child pornography.
[quote]I’ve never been in a Taiwanese school so I do not know how much education is given on drugs. However I can tell you (with my limited experience in the military where people are sort of treated like children too) is that regarding drugs it’s “don’t do it or go anywhere near it”, and also how great is the punishment for those. For drunk driving all they showed was videos of accidents and pictures of all the bloody result of drunk driving, but not so much on the facts of alcohol.
However in the US the education we got regarding drugs was “don’t do it”, although we were never told what the penalties are we were taught to avoid peer pressure regarding drugs.[/quote]
in Canada it was basically the same, but they did tell you especially with tobacco and alcohol the causes of problems. ie what can happen and why. this was usually in science class, there would be a section for the year dedicated to drugs. come high school we are told to do a project on drugs and do a very large writeup/oral presentation on it. as you might guess, all the “fun ones” are generally glorified by students and the “bad ones” are demonized. the teacher allows it and it reflects in the grades of the student. it was then when i got interested in reading into it and opened my eyes to how many drugs there really are on earth and how safe a great deal of them actually are (also how dangerous some are).
education over indoctrination is far better, but not so good if we want a nation of factory workers and laborers.