China is apparently working on a second-generation ASBM using hypersonic maneuverable reentry vehicle technology tested on the DF-ZF. This would allow the warhead to search for the current location of the carrier, instead of just dropping towards the predicted spot it was initially aiming at. The high speed maneuvers would also make the missile much harder to intercept.(Anti-ship ballistic missile - Wikipedia)
A non nuclear war would be the end of the CCP too. Either way lose lose. Would you be comfortable living in the West coast during a war with China to test that theory that their missiles don’t work? Plus a country that size wouldn’t have non working nukes.
I read they were put in to take out…well, threaten to take out…the anti-aircraft batteries in Taiwan.
There’s no way those things will fire on a US Carrier. Their guidance satellites will be vaporized before liftoff and then they become wishful thinking Iraqi scuds.
Absolutely I would, to the extent that anyone can feel comfortable during a war.
You can read up on this. Deploying a nuclear weapon and getting it to its target successfully is not a trivial task. Also, having non-deployed nuclear weapons does not mean they are “non working”.
History has shown America will go on a full scale war with anyone who attacks them hoping to scare them out of the war.
You want to unite America? Go ahead and fire a DF missile at a US carrier.
Chinese aren’t that stupid.
Fact is America knows that and that’s why they keep sailing carriers into the Taiwan strait. And if China somehow manages to sink a carrier… embargoes will be the least of their problem.
America will act because once Taiwan falls, and America does nothing, the hegemony will collapse. Because one reason Europe, Japan, etc. have such low military spending is because they count on America to stop aggressors from attacking them, so their doctrine is hold out long enough for America to act. If Taiwan falls to China, they will know America is not to be relied upon, and they will all sever ties with the US. Furthermore once Taiwan falls, China will have access to all the pacific islands the US controls, including Guam and Hawaii.
And should Hawaii fall, the US is over as we know it.
Don’t forget the Spanish American War. And it turned out USS Maine exploded by accident.
Hypersonic anti-carrier missiles are game changers.
With mounting questions about cost and survivability, a shifting political landscape for US aircraft carriers
The Navy’s main force projection tool, the carrier, became a punching bag for several lawmakers at Gilday’s confirmation hearing, as they alternately raised the threat posed by Chinese and Russian hypersonic missiles and berated the Navy’s future top admiral for the significant delays and cost overruns associated with the new carrier Gerald R. Ford.
At one point during the July 31 hearing, the Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., told Gilday the Navy’s arrogance on the carrier “ought to be criminal.” Later on, longtime friend of the Navy Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, warned that hypersonic missiles were a “nightmare weapon” that threatened to make carriers obsolete. . . .
As for rising threats to the carrier, King believes hypersonic missiles are an existential threat to the Navy and urged Gilday to take the issue head on.
“Every aircraft carrier that we own can disappear in a coordinated attack,” King said. “And it is a matter of minutes. Murmansk, [Russia], to the Norwegian Sea is 12 minutes at 6,000 miles an hour.
“So I hope you will take back a sense of urgency to the Navy and to the research capacity and to the private sector that this has to be an urgent priority because otherwise we are creating a vulnerability that could in itself lead to instability.”
In an interview with Defense News, King said the speed at which the Russians and Chinese are fielding the capability worries him.
King, who represents the state where half the Navy’s destroyers are produced, also said he’s concerned about the long-term viability of aircraft carriers in a world with hypersonic missiles.
“I think it does raise a question of the role of the aircraft carrier if we cannot figure a way to counter this capability,” he said. “I don’t want indefensible, $12 billion sitting ducks out there. I’m not prepared to say the carrier is obsolete, but I say that this weapon undermines the viability of the carrier.”
“If Itu Aba and Pratas are not properly garrisoned in peacetime,” Easton said, they “will be tempting, low-hanging fruit for [China] during the next crisis.”
But that is all, it would segue nicely for them to another stage and give a good boost of morale that would last a decade or so. If the right factors are met, there would be little to no adverse risk.
Chinese missiles fired on Taiwan would unlease cruise missiles from taiwan fired at shanghai and beijing.
The US misplaced a few nuclear warheads in Taiwan a few years back. Not sure they actually went back to the USA. They were reported as being dummie decoy nukes but …one never knows.
And Taiwan can NOT overtly claim to have nuclear weapons as that is one of the triggers that China has set for it to go all out war with TAiwan. Those conditions being.
Possession of nuclear weapons by Taiwan.
Declaration of Independence by Taiwan.
All out social disorder on Taiwan (ie Taiwan civil war between say the KMT and the DPP.
The relationship between Taiwan and China is to say lightly…complicated.
Note while PRC fighters/bombers are closing in on the middle of the Taiwan strait and Taiwanese fighters are heading over to intercept…commercial airliners from both sides are continuing to each others territories.
And one million Taiwanese live on China.
There will NOT be war between Taiwan and China. Just a whole lot of posturing.
Chinese and Taiwanese are pragmatic people who are very very very slow to do any sort of action.
They had dynasties that lasted thousands of years because nobody really want to do anything.
DO not be afraid of actual war between Taiwan and China. It won’t happen.
A lot of posturing yes. a lot of military spending yes.
A big waste of money on both sides. China spends because it has more than one enemy. Taiwan ONLY has one enemy and that is CHINA.
But TAiwan whether it wants to be or not IS related to the evil Uncle China.
Same thing dude. They need satellite guidance. That disappears the moment it looks like they’re going to launch. Defense wonks will play up the threat to get funding.
Defense wonks, especially American based will play up the threat China poses (including how they can literally occupy the island overnight) so they can goad Taiwan to spend billions of dollars on shitty weapon America doesn’t want.
China’s stated position is that Taiwan is a wayward province and has explicitly not ruled out the use of force to reunify it with the mainland. That’s not American defense wonks playing up a threat.
As for selling Taiwan shitty weapons America doesn’t want…
All of these are deployed and used by American forces.
The opinion of most Taiwanese is America doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Taiwan, uses Taiwan as a pawn, and sells us weapon because we are paying protection. Meaning if we stop buying weapons America might as well turn Taiwan into an axis of evil and embargo Taiwan like they do with Cuba.
They can explicitly say the Moon is made of Cheese and occupied by rabbits. the reality is that Taiwan is of SUCH ENORMOUS military significance, any attempt by China, Japan or any other well-wisher to take over and occupy it would mean the end of regional stability as we know it. Taiwan is not on the table. If it were we’d already be at war.
China’s wars are going to be proxies, I’d guess closer to their oil and mineral sources, not the backyard…or skirmishes with India or Vietnam to grind up some extra military conscripts.
This is the comment from Taiwanese, on Yahoo news about arms sales to Taiwan…
First one says “the battlefield is in Taiwan, America doesn’t care!!”
Second one says " Smart Americans uses Taiwan as cannon fodder"
Third one says “Selling weapons to you is because they make money off of you. On the battlefield it is Taiwanese men dying. It is Taiwan who will suffer. 817 will you please wake up”?
This about sums up how Taiwanese people feel about every arms sales to Taiwan.
Funny. Those comments look like the work of wumao.
You’re the only person I’ve ever encountered here who has suggested that Taiwan would become a member of the axis of evil and treated to a Cuba-style embargo if it didn’t buy weapons from the US.
Frankly, the situation is the opposite of what you suggest. Taiwan knows it’s strategically important to the US and is banking on the US defending it if China attacks. That explains why it spends far less on weapons than most experts believe it needs to if it really wants to have the ability to defend itself against a Chinese attack.
If the US was all about forcing Taiwan to buy shitty weapons, Taiwan would be spending a helluva lot more than it has been.
