Why does he need to curse so much?
He was a rapper
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oh ok, he seems a little angry 
I think the older Taiwanese entertainment circle are sensitive about this issue. They all went there and did the dance and said the shit and see it as an extended attack on themselves
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Well he is kind of right that entertainers and athletes do not get that much help here. Lots.of Taiwanese basketball players go to play in China.
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I think itās fine. Taiwanese know if you go there, they will make you say this stuff if you want to do business. If entertainers go there for concerts or athletes go there for sport , itās fine. If they say Taiwan is part of China, they are proud to be Chinese etc, itās also OK.
The issue is her taking part in a CCP political event
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Really? Taiwan direct investments in China in the four months January to April (despite shutdowns from covid) were US $2.38 billion. Total investment in China from Taiwan is over US$100 billion. Funny kind of war.
But by all means ignore that and focus our righteous indignation on a singer.
If Frank Sinatra flew to Mussoliniās Italy and sang the Italian national anthem in the midst of ww2, how do you think US government and society would treat him?
IIRC US and Italy were formally at war; making huge investments were generally frowned upon.
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Are you talking to me? If so Iām not sure why you think that. I know everything youāre saying. Iām drawing different conclusions about a few things and I donāt have as strong feelings as you on others which leads me to place less importance on them. But as I said before, I donāt think youāre wrong on any of the actual facts, except maybe by degree. Youāre basically just stating the known pro-independence (which they donāt call it because Taiwan is independent) rhetoric, which Iām well in touch with. I place a lot of importance on nuance, so I donāt really fully agree with anyone who has strong opinions.
Thereās a lot Taiwan can do reduce their connection with China, but fining teens isnāt it. Thereās a lot China could do to win hearts and minds, but backing a clown through CiTV wasnāt it, nor is most everything else they do.
Right. Wrong focus. A lot of what governments do is for public amusement. Nothing has changed.
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This much is true
Ok
Why would you say that ? Iām not seeing any appreciation of nuance at all from you. Both parties are supposed to be anti CCP. I donāt have a problem working in China, doing business there, entertainers going there etc The issue is being part of the combined propaganda efforts of the unification war.
It doesnāt matter if you are blue or green both sides should agree with this and traditionally did. The only consensus in Taiwanese society is not wanting to be part of the PRC or åå ±ć If these laws are not enforced then how can you tell young people not to sell the country out.
Hereās the deal as I see it.
If youāre a citizen of Taiwan going to the PRC to participate in a Chinese nationalist propaganda exercise (to be televised or otherwise beamed around the PRC), donāt expect the government of Taiwan to be delighted.
Whether a fine is the best way to address this situation is another matter.
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Yes and all of these things can be written off in isolation, but the amalgamation of these policies create a sense of confusion and lack of identity and shared direction. And thatās the goal of the CCP.
Thatās very fair. And if youāre a citizen of Taiwan and donāt like what a teen celeb is doing, there are better ways to spend Moon Festival than getting worked out about it.
I donāt think you will. Best if I drop it.
About Han:
I didnāt keep up with it, but that right there is what I thought the big deal was, or in other words, that the people of Kaohsiung felt that Han viewed the city as a stepping stone to the Presidency. But again, I didnāt keep up with it.
About the PRC flag:
So somebody wants to put an end to it, but that suggests that it might still be permissible.
The board has a thread about people displaying that kind of flag; the first post was in October 2011, and the latest post was in May 2019:
@tango42 posted some pics in the thread:
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Yes. The fancy pants could perhaps spin today into a cold war II
Iāve seen it since 2002. There used to be an office near Shandao Temple Station. Not sure what it was for, but there were flags there too and I saw a car there sometimes. There was also a communist temple somewhere, which was torn down for violating building regulations. It had been a perfectly legit temple at one time.
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Torn downā¦violationsā¦legitā¦one timeā¦
Taiwan in a nutshel haha.
Edit, sorry if already posted. If true, one of those times a kmt guy was far more logical and grounded than the rest. Banning flagsā¦burning books next? I hope āweā dont become like āthemā!
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Didnāt someone say the slippery slope didnāt exist earlier in this thread? When they come for the booksā¦
Yeah. I did. The Slippery Slope doesnāt exist. It is a logical fallacy.
Plenty of democratic countries have banned displays of enemy support.
There has been no spiral down into dictatorship from any of those countries.
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If you watch the Taishang video put up, they said that when they came back to Taiwan one year and saw the PRC flag they were shocked. Growing up in Chiangās era and leaving in mid 90s they thought that was almost impossible.
But thatās how China does it, drop by drop until they create normalization. Taiwanese just got slowly used to seeing the flag , but for returning Taishang it was shocking. Now you have Chinese brands holding top real estate in xinyi, Chinese computer game companies with biggest advertisements on Buses trains.
The problem with the PRC flag is that itās used for mischief and to unsettle people. Those gangsters who fly it outside of 101 are trying to do that. Just subtly reminding people that time is ticking. So I think there is a decent case for banning it
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