Also not required to renounce ALL citizenships. Only the one on the ARC
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Donāt put the argument of reciprocity in nationality talks. The only thing that matters is the law of land. I would, and did although unsuccessfully at that time, only argue about equality under the law.
Either all or no one, this compromise is, in my opinion, unconstitutional.
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I think it might be too.
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So I just got through reading this whole threadā¦ jeez.
Anyway, I recently applied for naturalization and expect to be approved anywhere between January and March.
I was wondering, since people keep mentioning āX number of SEA wives have naturalizedā, is there a government source for how many people have naturalized based on nationality? I am curious how many British people have naturalized.
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Annoyingly you can only see individual statistics for certain nationalities, no UK.
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Looks like itās officially confirmed for January 1st, 2024!
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Anyone have a link to the full amended legislation?
Trying to figure out what exactly these enhanced rights for NWOHR exactly areā¦
This part is such genius:
Those who violate immigration laws will face more severe punishments, the MOI said. These include an entry ban of up to seven years plus a fine on overstay of between NT$10,000 (US$321) and NT$50,000, up from the current amount of between NT$2,000 and NT$10,000. Those who arrange for foreigners in Taiwan to engage in activities different from the stated purpose of their visit will receive fines between NT$200,000 and NT$1 million.
They threw in these ātough on illegal immigrationā parts as red meat to distract potential critics from the progressive gains here. Well played! 
Guy
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I sent the link below to my boss, but I also sent a screenshot of what was the most relevant to me: The part where Iād have to be gone for at least a year straight, which was phrased exactly like an archived article I also found, but now itās different:
https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=D0080132&norge=10
To make Article 10 easier to compare side by side, since the formatting is different, I did copy/paste it into Word with a similar font and layout as a visual reference. Screenshot:
Specifically for my case, my scenario does fit Subparagraph 4, which wasn't there before (click to expand)
Was or is born overseas under a situation either where at the time of his/her birth, one parent was a national with household registration in the Taiwan Area, or where he/she was born after his/her parent who was a national with household registration in the Taiwan Area had been deceased.
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Great, so during the 1 year where we couldnāt previously leave Taiwan without extending our time as NWOHR, we can now apply to the NIA to leave without effecting our time? Hopefully the NIA publishes guidance on the requirements for this. I had planned to leave for 2 months in 2024 to see sick relatives, which would have pushed my time to get HHR back by about 6 months. Would be great if I could get an exemption to that
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Needlessly complicated stuff as usual when they could simply just abolish the stupid requirement as they did for children of overseas Taiwanese who want to gain residence. You would have to apply each time you exited the country for āapprovalā. So now you get a whole load of stupid applications everytime somebody.wants to take a holiday or work trip that they have to deal with. Itās really a dumb requirement to get an ID for somebody who is ALREADY a national of a country i.e. somebody whoā is supposed to have more rights than foreign residents or visitors ! Iāve never seen any reason why itās required.
Theāassignment or the approvalā, is the usual stupid speak that means nothingā¦why kind of trip gets approved ā¦who approves itā¦why one trip gets approved but not anotherā¦Dumb dumb dumb make nonsense work for themselves and uncertainty for people.
This is to approve a national of this country to travel because ā¦why??? What difference does it make to anybody if they travel or not.
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I wonder if this is some dumb leftover of Cold War thinking, that these NWOHR (assumed of course to be overseas Chinese, not folks like @Brianjones ) might travel to see or collaborate with the Commies?
Iām digging here for answers. It does look like a leftover from another era.
Guy
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So does this version include the changes that come into effect in January? The Chinese version says March
Yeah Iām thinking itās related to the fear of spies amongst the overseas Chinese refugees 60 years agoā¦it makes literally no sense.
The thing is, as is obvious, is foreign residents who apply for nationality ALREADY resided x number of years as their requirement to qualify as a national (along with satisfying other requirements e.g. language ).
Just so stupid and yes discriminatory.
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Wait, does this part of article 10 mean that there is no wait time to get HHR for NWOHRs if they had a child with their spouse during the time they were married?
EDIT: Oh I think it just means that you donāt need to have been married for 3 years in order to apply for HHR if you had a kid with your spouse if you are going the marriage routeā¦ which you would have already needed to do to naturalize in the first place if going the marriage route so kinda meaningless
New rules for 2024 some progress. YEs would be nice not to have tarc but one chap just got his is only 27 years oldā¦ and having a child does not want to do military service. Another good friend just applied yesterday to naturalize, he will do like @justintaiwan and get the Taiwan passport and tarc in Australia. He is taking his teenage children there to finish high school there so they can do tertiary education in Australia. He is better off getting a Tarc and being able to return to Taiwan if we wants. He is past the military service age.
PS You could always leave Taiwan in the first year of tarc and not extend the time for HHR and ID card. But it was only for a short trip.
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Dang, when I applied the requirement was seven years residency and having a child or not made no difference. Also my child born here wasnāt given ROC citizenship either at the time.
I was reading that part and it is very confusing. They do write a whole load of gobbledy sometimes. I doubt the Chinese is much clearer.
The whole thing is a mess. Should all be junked and started from scratch
āapproval or assignmentā what the hell does that even mean.
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If Iām reading it correctly, it does look like the option to leave for exigent circumstances was always there, except now it appears that even if you leave for personal reasons without informing the NIA, you are allowed to make it cumulative instead of continuous.
Hell, if they didnāt waive the continuous residency requirement, I wouldāve loved to join my cousin in going to Japan for the winter; I donāt like solo recreational traveling, plus he actually speaks Japaneseā¦ Even my 14 hour stopover/mini sightseeing in Tokyo probably wouldāve been less of a headache if I knew more than 3 wordsā¦ Another week sounds A LOT better than another 3 months.
Yup, especially since the only reason Iām claiming my dual citizenship is to make sure my deadbeat family doesnāt get to easily poach me when my momās day comes, or even poach her if she loses her cognitive abilities (my grandma is prone to dementia, and this crap does tend to be genetic)ā¦ Not to mention less inheritance tax (at least according to her life insurance agent, itās 20% for foreigners/NWOHR but only 10% for HHR-having citizens)ā¦
If authenticating my paperwork has been a nightmare for the past year while my mom is still alive and lucid, I couldnāt imagine whatāll happen if I have to authenticate paperwork after the fact (that is, if itās a requirement; I still donāt pretend to understand how it works).
Where did you find that? Iāll have to look into that too; I just chose English since I can speed-read in English, but I read Mandarin much slower, and Iām not well-versed in Mandarin Legalese.
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