If I was you I would still proceed with the application.
On your naturalisation certificate there will be a section that says ‘original nationality’
If you get a letter from the MOI saying your renunciation was accepted then you’re good to go
What if he renounces one and then they still ask for him to renounce the other (which they have indicated that they will do)? If he decides he doesn’t want to give up his other one, then he will have renounced his first citizenship for no reason at all and he will then lose his ROC nationality. Personally I think he should only move forward if the citizenship on his ARC now is able to be regained after renouncing, or he is actually willing to potentially have to give up both citizenships.
MOI is the one that approves or declines everything right? I’d proceed with application and try to get in writing the requirement to only renounce one without explicitly mentioning that you have two.
In any case I’m awaiting news of your success (or failure) 
Just had another call with HHR. He said for naturalization they are required to submit to immigration my entry/exit history. My USA and Philippine entry/exits show up as far back as 2015 (the year i first used my renewed USA passport with associated passport number). He said my ARC is linked to both passports and will always show up on the report. He also said the HHR is the office to accept the renunciation certificates and will request both.
So another year before your US passport expires? Maybe it’ll make a difference, maybe it won’t
MOI also knows my other friends have used two nationalities and they are not required to renounce both. IT is MOI not the HHR that decides on “original nationality” Nowhere in the law does it say multiple nationality.
Her US passport does not expire in a year.
He will renounce Philippines Nationality which can be resumed.
Banqiao is pretty similar to Taipei (I.e. strict). I think you need to move Hukou to somewhere out in the middle of nowhere like Miaoli or Nantou. You’ve determined that it’s HHR making the call on whether you need to renounce all citizenships, so that’s the point of failure. Keep trying each county in Taiwan. Maybe take a vacation and drive to each spot and move on to next city if it doesn’t work. I think it’s a matter of persistence.
Taichung City does not do this and that is where the last address was.
When was the last time this was verified? Things are changing, like they started asking about second nationality on ARC update forms in the last couple of years so maybe it’s not accurate information anymore.
As of last week when @comfy123 applied and is doing his renunciation. He was born in NZ is here on Australian nationality but only has to renounce Australian despite holding NZ citizenship as well.
OK, forgive my ignorance, but I have a really horrible case of the flu since my stupidvisor, whom I can go on my famous long tangents about since I have ADD decided to be the gift that keeps on giving… And speaking of which, it’s also preventing me from understanding how it works.
If I arrived in Taiwan on a Linjen/NWOHR passport in September 2023, had every document ready except for documents that proved my dad divorced and/or passed away and was given an ARC towards the end of October, but now with the “relaxation” of the law, does that mean:
A. I can just drop off the missing documents, get my Permanent Resident Cert and apply for an ID? If not, the next 2 things are what confuses me since I’m not sure if I’m reading the instructions correctly:
2.Do I need to take another physical exam and play with my 
again 
, or is the results from when I arrived good enough?
D. Do I also need to do my background check again? Will one from Taiwan suffice, do I need to get yet another FBI one from the US (which of course, that’ll be a huge hassle since I can’t just schlep into the USPS office; also although it’s valid for 6 months they won’t take anything older than 3 months), or do they need both?
Thanks!
Of course it depends on if they know that he has multiple nationalities or not but still good sounding news.
Yes they know. He is a NZ citizen born there. His place of birth listed as NZ on his naturalization document. But asked to renounce “Original Nationality Commonwealth of Australia”
Did he ever enter Taiwan on his NZ passport? The issue with me is they see two nationalities in my entry/exit record
So it seems that the trick is to 1. never say anything to them about your other citizenship 2. use one passport to enter and exit and 3. once they know, it’s obviously documented so see no. 1. They obviously don’t want new citizens so a move like this makes sense.
Wow you’re more cynical than me from a year ago. What made you this way?
These days I’ve come to realize that Taiwan is a pretty great place for foreigners to use as a home base while exploring the rest of Asia, and they don’t have to stay more than half the year in Taiwan. Most countries do not allow permanent residents to maintain non residency like this. But Taiwan allows it as long as you re-enter once every 5 years. Singapore, US, etc. will kick you out if you maintain non tax residency for years at a time.
Their non tax domicile treatment of foreigner permanent residents works in your favor if you stop trying to be a local and just act as a foreigner and run your businesses offshore. You can own properties here, retire, have nationalized health care, while traveling the world, and they’ll leave you alone. No tax legally due either if you keep your stay under half a year since foreigners don’t have hukou or domicile even with permanent residency (as long as you’re getting paid from an offshore business/employer).
Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement for not getting citizenship, but I feel it comes with more trouble than it’s worth unless you’re running a local business here. APRC gives access to almost everything, as long as you have persistence trying to apply for things the first time around. I should make a list of benefits for keeping APRC over citizenship sometime.
If you’re settled in Taiwan and don’t really plan to travel much to other places, and you’re set on retiring here, then citizenship makes sense.
Not really cynical, realistic. Taiwan wants foreigners to come, do a job for a set period of time and then get out. That’s why APRCs were not usually given to factory workers in the past. The giving of citizenships to foreign brides requires renunciation so that the country owns you, you can’t go running back to where you came from. It’s a subtle reminder who’s boss. Taiwanese Citizens aren’t interested in their country allowing immigrants either unless it’s to take care of granny for a few years while the caretaker gets treated like a slave.
A lot of us who want citizenship do want to hang around Taiwan, I’m one to travel but have no interest in country hopping for work. Plus I’m not a business owner or high end expat either, just a lowly salaryman.
My other friend who changed nationalities on arc has done so. He only renounced his Canadian citizenship.
@comfy123 was born a NZ citizen just as you were born a US citizen. HHR office in Taichung knows he is a NZ citizen.