For me it is worse. I am not a permanent resident or a citizen.
I even feel like I am losing my Australian masculinity and my big Aussie balls are now slowly shrinking after sending off my renunciation application. - I hope it will only be for 2 months like @justintaiwan
Iâm in the process, will see how easy. My country donât have a consul in Taiwan so I need to use the one in Hong Kong, I hope that is not a problem.
Thatâs very inconvenient.
Just had a chat by someone high up from NIA. He said it is NIA policy that upon naturalization you must renounce ALL citizenships. Beyond a court challenge to the NIA interpretation of the law and a decision to reverse it, this is how every case will be handled. Anyone who was able to renounce only one happened because NIA didnât see it during the application process. Next step?
Renounce all your citizenships then. Or move to a HHR that does not ask you to. NIA does not set the âpolicyâ that is done by the Ministry of Interior under the law.
For my friends who have done so they did not apply in Taipei. Also how can they NIA claim they didnât know when they have changed nationality on their ARC and the country of birth is different to the nationality on ARC?
I have two other friends applying now using UK nationality. One has three nationalities and the other two. None of them were asked to list all their foreign nationalities only the one on their ARC. I have advised them now to say nothing about their other citizenships as they were not asked about them.
One official wrote to another applicant and asked to list all the passports they have owned. I told them no need to answer as you do not legally âownâ any of the passports issued to you. They are owned by the government that issued them. It says so in the passports that they are the property of the issuing government.
A policy is not a law. The law only says to renounce original nationality and that is the one on the ARC. It its the law that matters.
All you are doing now is making it more difficult for other dual nationals to apply and not being told to renounce all citizenships which has never been the law.
@tando I believe asked the MOI to clarify this interpretation of the law.
That is what sticks out. The high up from NIA said it is policy, but did not say it is the law.
And even suggested to challenge it in court.
Problem is, in English that sounds like singular, but in Chinese it could be singular or plural, and since they donât specify, it likely was meant as plural, or they just never thought about people with more than one nationality. The fact that others have reported that gov are interpreting it as plural says a lot. If it ever got in front of a judge Iâm sure theyâd also say plural. The fact that a few people have already questioned this with gov means itâs likely already on their radar and official guidance or potentially re-wording of the legislation may be on its way.
It was only a matter of time before they cracked down on this, as I keep seeing posts on some facebook groups from the same people saying foreigners should be required to renounce all citizenships (perhaps jealous former foreigners who were required to renounce their citizenship). I would just keep switching household registration until one lets you apply without asking too many questions.
If you keep escalating, some brown noser high up in NIA is going to contact MOI and theyâll adjust their status quo going forward. APRC isnât so bad. Iâve come to accept it. Thereâs some benefits to keeping APRC.
Regarding your friend that changed ARC nationalities, the NIA certainly knows he has two Nationalities but this fact did not come up during their application process. I am not privy to the internal workings of of the application process and where it is noted that someone has two nationalities, but at some point it shows up for me and not for them
It is not accurate to say none were asked to list their foreign nationalities. The application for ARC clearly requests if the applicant has multiple nationalities and to list which country and passport number
It is clear that policy is not law, but policy is what is being enforced. I can bring up the law to MOI until I am blue in the face, but they will not change their policy until ordered to by the court
This is only recent and for many here already they were never asked.
Well if you have applied to naturalize then maybe you should challenge the policy v the law before you do the renunciations. Donât apply for the TARC yet just get the naturalization.
The form may now ask for other nationality as many people who enter on a foreign passport also have ROC citizenship. I could leave Taiwan on my ROC passport enter on Australian passport and get a JFRV.
Interesting suggestion. Do they only ask for renouncement after TARC application?
You have 12 months to show you made an effort to renounce. So before that appeal your case using the law. Officials who set policy that is in conflict with the law can be forced to follow the law.
All the people I know applied for the tarc then renunciation. They are in a rush like frankie four fingers.
Or, even better, outright challenge the constitutionality of the requirement of renouncing.
Also include not needing a TARC and going straight to HHR and ID Card.
They donât ask, they just tell you it needs to be done. TARCs are not part of the naturalisation process. I renounced before I had my TARC issued.
But the TARC doesnât matter, you have 12 months from the naturalisation approval to submit a renunciation certificate or proof of reasonable efforts to renounce
TARC application doesnât mention other nationalities
If you fail to meet their requirements for renunciation within one year, can you still revert back to APRC? Since citizens have different ID format, is this a one way journey that canât be undone? In which case⌠whatâs your immigration status if you fail to meet renunciation requirements within the required time?
Yes and there is official guidance on this too
Could you please provide an official reference regarding the procedures of reverting back to APRC if you fail to follow through with renouncing your citizenship?