Taiwan just (slightly) relaxed Dual Citizenship Rules

They’re still traumatized… :grin:

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The clock starts from the day they issue your naturalization certificate. Whether you have collected it yet or not.

For me it started a week before collecting it.

I second that. @Ctbalms stop making things worse for yourself. You have probably now just martyed yourself by putting yourself in the national database or something… Thus why the New Taipei office called you back.

Just renounce the one… then CHANGE HHR OFFICES AGAIN (by changing your TARC address) and supply the Filipino renunciation to the new office lol. Maybe they will accept that

Also @Ctbalms it is strange they have both your passports… are you sure you never entered in on the other? Or at least shown both to the HHR?

Yeh @anon24369109 said the guy had to hide it behind his desk he was so traumatized

Also @anon24369109 correction I was born in Malta.

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Found an announcement from Tainan HHR office.

有關未依國籍法第9條第1項規定於1年內提出喪失原有國 籍證明,經撤銷歸化許可者,其後續在臺申辦居留1案

有關未依國籍法第9條第1項規定於1年內提出喪失原有國籍證明,經內政部撤銷歸化許可案件,請轉知當事人至內政部移民署各服務站申請外僑居留證,服務站依其居留身分不同,處理方式如下:

(一)歸化前原持外僑居留證者:

1、原居留原因仍存在者:由居住地服務站通知當事人到站,廢止其無戶籍國民居留許可,註銷臺灣地區居留證,並將原廢止外國人居留許可之行政處分廢止,核發原經註銷之外僑居留證(不另收取規費);倘原註銷之居留證已逾效期,依規定收取規費後辦理居留延期,俾利渠嗣後申請永久居留或再申請歸化。

2、居留原因不存在者:依入出國及移民法第9條第6項規定廢止其居留許可,限期出國。

(二)歸化前原持外僑永久居留證者:由居住地服務站通知當事人到站,廢止其無戶籍國民居留許可,註銷臺灣地區居留證,並將原廢止外國人永久居留許可之行政處分廢止,核發原經註銷之外僑永久居留證(不另收取規費)。

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I’m just theorising if the passport details may have been captured by Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) or Advance Passenger Processing (APP) from the airlines during check in with the other passport if the passport had never been shown to immigration.

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No I think it’s the ARC application. When I came to Taiwan I didn’t have my Maltese passport. Never had one. I listed it on the form the person at NIA asked for the number and I told him I don’t have the passport.

I think maybe that’s it

Either way… let’s see if the Pingtung office accepts the renunciation.

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I HAVE entered on the other many times but not since I got my ARC.

Other than matching names and the info listed on my ARC application, the biometric checks at immigration can easily be matched

Doesnt seem to be much downside to trying since if you fail you get your old status back and the policy even mentions you can try again later

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I’m not sure that would even be necessary. The NIA is part of the MOI, and I get the impression from some recent contact I’ve had with them that there’s more of an overlap between the two than you might expect when it comes to foreigners.

(Specifically, the Ministry of the Interior’s response to my discrimination complaint arrived in an envelope covered with NIA stamps and with an xxx@immigration.gov.tw e-mail address listed as the contact, as did one of the parts of @Mataiou’s complaint to the Control Yuan, and every time I submitted messages to the MOI through the MOI website the MOI forwarded them to the NIA for handling, who passed the responses back to the MOI to send to me. I thought it was odd at the time, considering that my messages were about an administrative appeal “upwards” to the Executive Yuan not “downwards” to the NIA, but they don’t appear to be acting as completely separate entities when it comes to foreigner stuff.)

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This makes sense to me… foŕ example if you write to a minister in Australia the correspondance will be sent to relevant department and down to a unit level to either answer directly or to provide an answer to the minister.

I’m not sure for this. It just seems kind of strange if asking the MOI how to appeal against the MOI to the Executive Yuan causes the MOI to send the question to the NIA… :man_shrugging:

Makes me wonder if the Executive Yuan will send the question to the NIA too.

My point here though was if it’s really likely to be possible to hide something from the MOI that the NIA already knows.

The NIA is part of the MOI and might be the respsonsible agency within the MOI for the question.

Yeah I said exactly that:

I’m wondering whether they’re the responsible agency for general foreigner stuff, which might make it unrealistic to expect the MOI not to find out about information the NIA already has.

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Also the higher you go in these government structures the less technical and detailed the knowledge.

Ah! There it is!

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@comfy123 which HHRO did you apply for naturalization at? Maybe @Ctbalms could try applying there

Which did you apply at?

You think I’d be telling a person who keeps harping on about my case to MOI and NIA higher ups?

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Not at Daan office that’s for sure. The many people I advised did so outside of Taipei city.

Me?

Xinzhuang

Yeh… that would be a dumb move.

No not you @meishijia

Australians send the renunciation in Australia they cannot be done outside Australia. AIT does renunciations as they request an interview with applicant.

So yes every country has a different process

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