Try another NIA office. Or a different officer.
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Has anyone ever asked the US embassy if they could apply for renunication and say it was not intentionally, voluntarily, and of my own free will, free of any duress or undue influence and have the rejection accepted by the TW government in recent times?
Curious because I’ve seen that line in bold before and lawyer 邱彰 candidly talked about her US citizenship “renuniciation” experience.
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Does anyone know the process to add/remove the ARC listed citizenships? Is this done at HHR or NIA? I currently have Philippines on mine but the HHR office knew i was also a USA citizen. If two citizenships can be listed in their system i want to know if i can remove the USA one
Did you use your USA citizenship in the past on your ARC? In any case it does not matter as there is no law requiring anyone to renounce all citizenships. NIA is for foreigners not the HHR.
Do you know if the similar case was rejected by MOI after application or household registration office while trying to apply?
$1,200 TWD for the certificate… But about $800-1,200 USD for just paperwork that were missing (parent’s marriage records and divorce certificate), authentication fees, notary fees, FBI background check, health inspection and all that (maybe $600 of which or so are directly related; I have tons of things in my budgeting app classified as “Taiwan” and I’m having a hard time believing the amount)…
Another $1,400 if you count motorcycle lessons in the US and subsequent licensing, authentication, reciprocal driver’s license exchange, and even gear (most of it was splurging on an Arai helmet and a Cardo headset with JBL speakers LMAO), $1,200 plane ticket for my first trip around CNY 2023 that ultimately proved whatever my mom’s friend did 15 years ago absolutely does not work the way she described at all (she’s the type that’ll ignore instructions until it falls apart on her 
but at least I got to spend CNY with family), and thankfully I had enough Alaska Airlines miles from business trips to try out Starlux premium economy for $18 (processing fee) when I came back this time in September, or that’s another $1,200 or so in the pit.
At least that part sounds like a win. 
Guy
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Are we sure about this? Article 9(1) of the Nationality Act states:
外國人申請歸化，應於許可歸化之日起，或依原屬國法令須滿一定年齡始得喪失原有國籍者自滿一定年齡之日起，一年內提出喪失原有國籍證明。
I do not think it is at all clear whether 國籍 (nationality) is singular or plural here. While I do not see anything immediately in the Enforcement Rules or the legislative purpose that clarifies this question, it is possible that there is a letter of interpretation out there about this issue or it is in their internal handbook.
We do not know if this is simply one person’s opinion or if it is what the Ministry of the Interior thinks officially.
Of course I am aware that there are quite a fair number of naturalized citizens out there who had two or more nationalities at the time of renunciation. In practice, they renounced the nationality that Taiwan knew about. Did they tell the Ministry of the Interior that they had other nationalities? If not, perhaps they just got away with this because the Ministry did not know. Here the Ministry does know. That may have adverse implications.
In many situations like this, my experience is that the foreign national has misunderstood something.
If OP is serious about this, OP should retain a lawyer to research the issue and talk to OP’'s household registation office. If it turns out that the Ministry thinks you must renounce all foreign nationalities, OP should discuss whether it makes any sense to apply to nationalize, present the certificate of renunciation from the nationality on the ARC, and appeal/file administrative litigation if household registration refuses to accept it or revokes naturalization certificate. I would want to try to get a preliminary injunction to halt revocations before that actually happened.
I’m pretty sure you must deal with the household registration with jurisdiction over the address on your ARC. No shopping around.
Yes as some of them changed nationality to the one they wanted to renounce from the current one on ARC. Well known John Lamorie who did that so he could change farmland he bought to his Taiwan ID name. He had always lived here on his NZ nationality but changed to Canadian and renounced that.
In other cases they were born citizens of one country and lived in Taiwan as citizen of another country and arc jfrv aprc and renounced the one used on ARC.
In some cases I helped UK nationals renounce that while applying for Irish nationality by having an Irish born grandparent… They were unaware this was possible.
Very good to know. It seems increasingly likely that this is just one person’s opinion.
I’m not quite sure why you are quoting the English translation. It does not resolve the question of whether 國籍 is singular or plural. The English translations are for reference only. The Chinese prevails and the interpretive problem is in the Chinese.
I suppose the Ministry should have reviewed the English translation, which is generally quite good. It’s possible that the person reviewing thought it was singular and approved the translation. It’s also possible that this issue never ocurred to the reviewer.
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The HHR lady stated they inquired with MOI who replied he must renounce ALL citizenships. Of course this is one person’s recollection so take it with a grain of salt
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The household registration office does not have this power.
If she did, she would have a letter from the MOI. Ask her to see it. If she says she called/emailed or otherwise does not have this letter then she did not make a formal enquiry
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Meanwhile, in the land of new citizens who gained it without renunciation (apologies for the ugly URL) . . .
At this rate of growth, Taiwan will sustain its voting population in the year (smashes numbers into calculator for a while) . . . . never.
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I would strongly recommend that OP talk to a lawyer. This is important. Do not rely on or try to figure out what may or may not happen based on what some people on the internet say.
I think there are a number of serious misunderstandings here. Talk to a lawyer.
Why? What can a lawyer do? Except cost you money. All she needs to do is to apply. The NIA has no power to stop anyone applying. The MOI will issue a naturalization then a requirement to renounce her nationality on the ARC within 12 months.
Yes lawyers cost money. Big news. A lawyer can:
- Communicate with the HRO to make sure there was no misunderstanding (as is so often the case)
- advocate for her and perhaps work out a solution before there is a dispute one year down the line
- Write a formal letter of inquiry that can be relied on one year down the road unlike oral representations
- Decide whether such a formal letter is a wise move in the circumstances (often it is not if there is a good chance the agency will adopt an unfavorable view.
- Plan a litigation strategy in advance including injunctive relief if necessary if naturalization certificate is revoked
- Draft and file administrative appeal and bring administrative proceedings against the government or advise that there is no point because plaintiff will just lose as is often the case against government.
Whether the cost if worth it depends on how valuable the renounced nationality was. @Ctbalms should also consult with counsel in the Philippines and get written advice on what the implications of renouncing PG citizenship are.
Or you can just roll the dice and hope for the best.
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Or you can do like @justintaiwan has done and used the governments own departments against officials who make up their own rules.
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Can do that oneself. Also She can record herself and her interaction with the HHR officer.
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A lawyers advocating for her holds no legal weight.
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The MOI will advise what nationality will need to be renounced not the HHR office.
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The formal document right now is to submit the naturalization request. Again HHR office cannot stop someone from applying.
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Not necessary
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Cannot file an appeal when no decision has yet been made.
Philippines allows renunciation and resumption and the details are available online. Again legal counsel in the Philippines will offer what advice? The same information that is online posted by the government?
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