Taiwan population decline

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

I don’t know the access to contraceptives in Europe but I know in some parts of the US it’s extremely hard, and sex education consists of abstinence.

I think sex education and contraceptives are much easier to come by in Taiwan.

[BiggusDickus]

@Brianjones

@foc

62.2% of French children are born out of wedlock. The UK, US, and Germany are 49% 40.5%, and 33.1% respectively.

In Taiwan, slightly less that 4% of children are born out of wedlock. Less than 3% in South Korea and Japan.

It demonstrates the enormous societal differences between here and the West.

They really are fascinating stats.

[Mataiou]

single mothers are very lowly regarded in East Asian societies, there is a real issue in South Korea of abandoned infants by single mothers.

In Taiwan and JP there is just not enough sex going on and too much pressure, same is happening in Chinar. So no kids around at all.

These r countries only for old folks, and virtually no immigration to supplement. Very soon there will be a lot of space here, but services will be very challenging to keep as the workforce will shrink so much.

[amitkattal]

@Mataiou

In Taiwan and JP there is just not enough sex going on

There is a lot of sex going on. Just not for making babies.

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Just now there is a mother who buried a newborn in the sand in the playground in Taiwan, so I think it’s an issue too.

[contrafluixi]

Fathers are not recognized unless married. I am sure that plays the biggest role.

[foc]

@contrafluixi

Fathers are not recognized unless married. I am sure that plays the biggest role.

It would be better to say that they are not recognized automatically if they are unmarried. An unmarried father can become the legal father by:

1. acknowledging paternity with consent of mother
2. acknowledging paternity unilaterally supported by a DNA test
3. acknowledging paternity supported a court order.

No. 1 is the most common. It is exactly the same as California where both parents have to sign a declaration of paternity to put the child’s name on the birth certificate.

No. 2 obviously raises questions about how one would obtain a DNA sample of the child without the voluntary consent of the mother.

I do not know how No. 3 works.

A lot of confusion arises among foreigners because the key step is getting the father’s name on household registration records via acknowledgement of paternity. The birth certificate is irrevelant in these circumstances.

[donkey1810]

@amitkattal

There is a lot of sex going on. Just not for making babies.

How do you know that?

[nz]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

because in general they’re not spoiled brats and knows a thing or two.

Remember that younger workers are only spoiled brats because the adults in their lives didn’t hold them to standards and gave them whatever they wanted when they wanted it when they were little.

[contrafluixi]

Excuse me but the birth certificate is very relevant for many people. For example foreigners.

[nz]

@Brianjones

@foc

62.2% of French children are born out of wedlock. The UK, US, and Germany are 49% 40.5%, and 33.1% respectively.

In Taiwan, slightly less that 4% of children are born out of wedlock. Less than 3% in South Korea and Japan.

It demonstrates the enormous societal differences between here and the West.

Societal differences in the form of single women here can get an abortion easily/without any stigma and a single woman’s family will pressure her to either marry the man who impregnated her or get an abortion immediately? Compared to the US where there is a constant effort by one certain party to limit access to contraceptives while also outlawing abortion?

[BiggusDickus]

@nz

@Brianjones

@foc

62.2% of French children are born out of wedlock. The UK, US, and Germany are 49% 40.5%, and 33.1% respectively.

In Taiwan, slightly less that 4% of children are born out of wedlock. Less than 3% in South Korea and Japan.

It demonstrates the enormous societal differences between here and the West.

Societal differences in the form of single women here can get an abortion easily/without any stigma and a single woman’s family will pressure her to either marry the man who impregnated her or get an abortion immediately? Compared to the US where there is a constant effort by one certain party to limit access to contraceptives while also outlawing abortion?

Abortion access wouldn’t account for France, the UK, or Germany.

This isn’t US Politics.

[foc]

@contrafluixi

Excuse me but the birth certificate is very relevant for many people. For example foreigners.

Perhaps that depends on the country of the foreign parent? For Americans, AIT lists a household registration transcript as the first required document and does not require or request a birth certificate.

Acording to this thread, it is the same for Brits. Not sure about our friends down under…

At least for American fathers, the birth certificate mainly has psychological value.

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Regardless of the actual religion they still have a whole lot of issue with abortion, whereas in Taiwan they have abortions like taking out yesterday’s trash. My mom had 2 abortions for example.

[Malasang88]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Just now there is a mother who buried a newborn in the sand in the playground in Taiwan, so I think it’s an issue too.

Just read the news on this…sick.

https://www.msn.com/zh-tw/news/national/台南女嬰遭埋-兒童公園-成禁地-生母呆坐煎熬30分鐘才動手/ar-BB1igwkg

[BiggusDickus]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Regardless of the actual religion they still have a whole lot of issue with abortion, whereas in Taiwan they have abortions like taking out yesterday’s trash. My mom had 2 abortions for example.

What religion? I wish you would quote, it’s hard enough to follow you as it is.

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Basically people in the EU still have Christian value even if they identify as atheist, meaning having abortions is still taboo because their grandparents were raised in very strict christian households, and so forbids abortions.

But in Taiwan they treat it like taking out the trash.

[BiggusDickus]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Basically people in the EU still have Christian value even if they identify as atheist, meaning having abortions is still taboo because their grandparents were raised in very strict christian households, and so forbids abortions.

But in Taiwan they treat it like taking out the trash.

Why did you reply to me regarding religion?

Actually, it’s OK, don’t bother.

[foc]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Regardless of the actual religion they still have a whole lot of issue with abortion, whereas in Taiwan they have abortions like taking out yesterday’s trash. My mom had 2 abortions for example.

This is not true at at all. There are many temples that serve parents who have lost. miscarried, or aborted children. They are busy and emotional places.

People often don’t talk about these high personal matters and their strong feelings about them.

And of course some don’t have regrets and simply see abortion as a necessary medical procedure appropriate in the circumstances.

As with many things in Taiwan, there is a very wide range of opinion. It’s just not a huge political issues like it is in some countries.

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[Taiwan_Luthiers]

For my mom it was purely financial. She didn’t show any emotion over it at all.