Taiwan population decline

Note that parents won’t actually receive $5000 per month

The headline policy is a monthly growth allowance of NT$5,000 (about US$161) for every child from birth to the age of 18.

Part of the payment will be allocated to a future account that recipients can draw on at 18 for education or starting a business.

https://theonlinecitizen.com/2026/05/20/taiwan-defence-push-tops-lai-s-second-year-address-with-child-allowance-and-kmt-critique

Stupid.

Yes I know I read it above.

Is this how Taiwan will introduce a UBI?

Has UBI ever worked anywhere in the world? The hippie dream, make love not work

That’s anecdotal and this is assuming you are solidly upper income. There’s also a difference what your politically correct coworkers will tell you and what is actually happening.

But first -

1 - have you earned more than $10,000 a month for the last 3 years
2 - are you married or seeking a wife?

At any rate, let’s see what the data says.

This is data from the states…I’m positive it applies to Taiwan ROC as well.

Of course. Which is not close to ideal, not definitive, might not even be the general case, but still quite a bit better than you just asserting something as fact. :smiley:

Make far more than most, not nearly as much as many, but by any reasonable standard I am.

I work in old school defense. Not exactly a hot bed of woke.

To start, I would not consider that solidly upper income. I’m in my 40s. I haven’t had earned income as little as $10k/month for almost 20 years on a nominal basis. Adjusted for inflation, not for 25 years. And at this point, I make more each year on investments than wage income. My 2025 income taxes were… stand by… $101,592. So, yeah.

Now do you.

Married.

Good job posting a link that mostly shows you’re wrong.

Not sure how it proves the point that high income men prefer women who want to stay at home…but okay lol

Just because a woman chooses to raise her kids and wants a man who can support that doesn’t mean they aren’t high earners or high education…

it’s a question of priority not ability…

"Rich Men Also Prefer Stay-at-home Wives

High-earning men have a lot of options when it comes to choosing a wife. They overwhelmingly choose to marry highly-educated and high-earning women of a similar age or just a couple years younger. In other words, they marry peers. The idea that most husbands are threatened by female achievements is unsupported by the available evidence."

but you don’t have or want children correct?

If you did want kids do you want your wife to work or raise the kids first and foremost? What would she want in your opinion?

And having kids will reduce your taxes cause you’re paying too much lol.

It actually has, but only in some tiny Emirates that got stupid rich by oil. Simply being citizen and born there gets you a couple 100k USD every year… of course any sorts of migrants excluded.

Do you think that money would solve the problem? Or would the populace still live in never ever land, stay DINKS just with more luxurious spending?

Marriages and children have gone down worldwide even in places and for people who have enough money.

Is it really an income issue…or a priority issue?

Yeas that’s at most .001% of the world’s population or whatever, it’s not relevant.

Like you, that article certainly asserts that, despite saying only about 40% with stay at home wives, despite presumably having the ability all rich guys to make that choice. And certainly some of that 40% are making a choice that isn’t necessarily their preference.

Incorrect again.

  1. You don’t know what percentage of my income that is so you in have no idea if that’s a high tax burden. 2) The child care tax credit phases out at higher income, while the child and dependent care credit is reduced at higher income but is much less useful if you have a stay at home parent to begin with. That you think kids are a tax boon suggests you’re not near the phaseouts.

But you have again avoided provided your own info, so the sharing session is done until then.

You’re correct - however it neglects how many of those men want family.

So yes men who don’t want kids don’t necessarily want a woman to stay at home. That makes sense.

The key word is “choice.”

You had kids it sounds like. Did you spend your time looking at investments or changing diapers? Don’t get me wrong. If my wife could make financial decisions that brought us the same income from various sources as I do, I’d stay home and have her go work.

Here is an article more objective:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/

You chose to mention your earnings and bring out your tax information…I will just say that with the grace of God I am a top earner, with multiple sources of income and asset classes and work part time. I refuse to share more as that has no merit on the conversation.

Let’s get back to Taiwan ROC. The dilemma is that the populace thinks “if only we had more money then we would have kids instead of dogs” when to an extent it’s a money thing but is it not a priority thing.

I do not agree with many of your points, but I wholeheartedly agree with you here.

It is a low wage problem, it is a housing problem, but it’s also a lot more. All these problems contribute to the low birthrate, but solving only one single one of these issues isn’t going to increase the birthrate magically. At the most, it might result in a tiny uptick.

I think the biggest problem is that we’re more connected than ever, but also more lonely than ever. I’ve met many guys that want a girl but can’t find one. I’ve also met many girls that want a guy but can’t find one. I think social media is also a big culprit here.

That said, I’m here on a gold card and I’m making good money. I’ve also met an amazing girl here. Getting married and having kids is definitely in the pipeline for us.

Its also because people are unwilling to adjust and lower their standards. When men believe that an ideal women is only the one who is skinny, pretty and can do housework and women think an ideal man is only the one who is rich, has a car and a house , then ofcourse they are gonna have hard time finding a partner. Its like fighting for limited resources then

Have you heard of the “Peter pan syndrome”?

Do you think it plays a role in this as well?

Didn’t this work for the last thousands of years? Not to play devils advocate…

women marry for potential of wealth or wealth and men marry for beauty first and foremost.

We see this strategy with other mammals…why is this so controversial when it comes to us?

Ban dogs as pets!!!

Return them to where they belong, on the menu!!

What that mean?

Bec feminizm!!!

How about return them to where they belong: as pets?

I’m still waiting for people who push dressed up dogs on strollers instead of walking them to be called out.

I swear the next time I hear someone call themselves a “dog parent” I’m gonna lose it lol.

Peter Pan:

“Peter Pan Syndrome is a popular psychology term for adults who struggle or refuse to embrace traditional adult responsibilities and emotional maturity.”

From a 2 second search…

The end of civilization. Dogs on baby strollers…