That’s satire, right?
The CCP guy wouldn’t budge on the issue of nuclear arms for Taiwan and he was supported in that by a American-Chinese activist from the US West Coast.
I think they really believe that the Taiwanese government would seek a nuclear bomb as the last step before declaring independence.
“Then we’ll invade!” was the CCP guy’s empathic statement.
Starve?
Do nothing. The population go down every yr. Soon nobody left
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Isn’t it the same with China?
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Lots of food comes from other countries. It might not be as China centric as you may think. Although the CKMT certainly did a lot to try and make it so.
As an example of staples, soy bean from Canada can be cheaper than from china. Wheat and related as well. Then there’s other huge producers like Australia, USA, India, Brazil etc that have insanely large monoculture and factory farm style products that are dirt cheap. AG, for large scale commodities, is one of those industries where China isn’t particularly cheaper. It’s the slightly more niche and labor intensive stuff that will be cheaper. Ie. We might be screwed for Sichuan pepper If China goes Nazi Germany on Taiwan. Either way, would you trust food from them if they were to actively declare murdering us? Poisoning food is a long standing tradition in warfare 
Outside of imports, usually people focus on domestic supply when concerned about food security. Meaning, how much can this country produce, for how long and give it a %
Taiwan is depressingly low. And in case a foreign country invades our country, we need to also disregard food stocks obtained from the ocean in the equation, if we want to be prepared and realistic. Things like putting low to the ground solar panels all over good farmland is akin to the CKMT selling out Taiwan to China. It literally fucks us in the future. Especially where there is SO much better suited land to use. The spray and weeding involved for field solar farms and the dust that occurs on them is illogical enough.
this is a necessary thing to do and as always the government here has done a fantastic job to fuck it up and make sure no one supports it. Status quo for taiwanese governments. Behind every cleaner energy source available, there is a group of people that makes it near impractical…it isn’t a tech/infrastructure/logistics problem, that’s for sure!
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Taiwan should [of]. Without it, China is playing king and the world is still supporting them. What a fucked up thing to wish for…a nuke…just so that oppressive tyrants bent on crimes against humanity won’t murder our people and steal our land and assets (a second time). Truly, the definition of a non intelligent species
Vote for smart modular reactors on every rooftop
Jeezus man have you seen those illegal rooftops being blown around during typhoons? We’d have nuclear power reactors being tossed onto unwitting persons below! 
Guy
Almost all soybeans in Taiwan are from places like the U.S. and Brazil.
Taiwan imported about US$15 billion worth of ag products in 2020. Only about 8% was from China
My understanding is that we will be eating a lot of sweet potatoes if food imports get cut off. They have gotten Taiwan through hard times before.
Yup.
On sweet potatoes. Also rice etc. A big problem with many of our staples is they oven require cooking and often times water (grains). In situatio s where food security matters, so does efficiency of being able to est said food. Large amounts of electricity/gas/wood are going to be needed for such systems, and being fragmented into individual use it’s going to get real bad real quick.
I hope for a day we have a lot more food security storage with things that don’t require large amounts of water, and large amounts of energy to produce (like pretty much every dried seed). In these cases species like mung bean should take priority over say soybean.
If our nuke plants shut, or we are cut off from the materials used to run them, and presumably coal etc might get cut off as well. Things go pear shaped very fast. Our population density is what makes this exponentially more concerning than many other countries.
We simply aren’t ready for that amount of risk. Once they can prove, over the course of a couple decades, that they are 100% safe, waste is 100% responsibly disposed of and the only threat is the actual structure might crush someone in a fall (taiwan still hasnt proven it can manage even anchoring things to buildings properly yet) then that conversation can happen. The pro nuclear folks are so far beyond answering even the simplest of questions about current management that it’s pointless to even entertain the idea of putting mini nuclear anything anywhere. Just let them keep researching and engineering, our government isn’t mature enough yet. They still can’t figure out where to put big flat panels, which says a lot…!
Those things are almost always mutually exclusive. Traditional staple food sources usually got their status because they are also easy to preserve, and that means there are ways to get rid of the water content to extend storage life. Wheat, rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes, even corn, all fall in that category. However, that also mean you would need to rehydrate during the cooking process, meaning you would need water and energy. Unless you are suggesting everyone to just eat hardtack through out the conflict, without adding water to it, just braving the risk of chipping your tooth, otherwise there’s no way around this. Even in North Korea, people cook their potatoes, with water and energy.
By the way, this is what ChatGPT suggested:
| Food Item | Amount per Day | Calories | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pemmican or Jerky | 3 oz (~85g) | ~400 | Protein + fat |
| Hardtack / Survival Biscuits | 4 pieces (~150g) | ~500 | Carb base |
| Nut Butter (Peanut, Almond) | 3 tbsp (45g) | ~450 | High fat, shelf-stable |
| Mixed Nuts / Seeds | 3 oz (~85g) | ~500 | Dense energy |
| Dried Fruit | 2 oz (~60g) | ~200 | Carbs + vitamins |
| Energy/Protein Bar | 1 bar | ~200 | Compact, tasty |
| Honey (optional) | 1 tbsp | ~60 | Energy booster |
| Multivitamin | 1/day | 0 | Nutrition support |
Total per Day:
- Calories: ~2,300–2,500
- Protein: ~100–130g
- Carbs: ~200g
- Fat: ~120g
This is why this is relevant to energy. Raw dried seeds aren’t just an add water solution. I mean, technically even dry rice we can gnaw on long enough and not die, but theoretically thats not the way forward in what food secuity is supposed to address. If we ignore the availability and energy resources to have safe drinking water for a moment (even though it’s always a constant in every civilization throughout history), the energy to cook, in fragmented individual households, it’s going to be a massive draw on resources as it will be massively innefocient to do small lot dry seeds in every house. We see areas in the world completely deforested due to just this issue (though some are also for warmth). Just the energy options and reasons why I stated above. In any situation where actual food security measures need to be taken for lknger term (we should have a decade plus worth of food security, i doubt we have more rhan a couple months). I hope we also have decades us reserves of energy security as well…but I am not so familiar with that.
Part of food security should also include cheap, long shelf life things that wouldn’t require heat, in my opinion. Heat menajng energy inputs that are normally extremely hard in times of say war or annexation. Taiwan government is so far beyond this depth of conversation I am actually slightly worried. Not just our production but our ability to actually feed in times of severe need. Meaning logistics, not simply supply.
I think we all agreed raw dried seeds store well. But thats only half the issue, seems foolish to ignore the logistics after producing the product…granted the government is actually studying and doing field trials on wheat and ither fruits. The whole world is trying hard to get a c4 rice plant because everyone knows water is key. And so on. However, avoiding say Taipei and millions of people flocking to feeding stations where energy inputs are available is less ideal than having food security rhat doesn’t require an hour of pretty damn innefocient machines creating heat to cook a dried thing. More research should be put into more shelf steady, long term shelf life, staples. They exist already, not sure how common they are on scale in the modern world though.
I doubt its that dramatic. “Nobody left” is a tall figure, when starting at 23+ million people.
Sorry, but Gen IV nuclear reactors are explosion proof and produce only a fraction of the waste their predecessors did. That technology is manageable if one desires to manage it.
Provide a 2 decade case study, 3rd party testing at every aspect and every turn, at least twice per annum, and people would probably believe that claim. There isn’t. We don’t even get answers for how to properly dispose of waste here. So everyone should understand why we should be hesitant. If answers are given, that make scientific sense, then that’s a different situation. But, it’s not that situation. Undeniably.
Dont get me wrong, I am in the science fields as well. If there is a safe, lkng standing tested method, lets go! But thats exactly why I am skeptical, there exists a large amount of people in academia, engineering and especially private industry that will cook the books in order to get funded. Frankly, it’s the majority…everyone in academia, government and industry knows this as fact. Or, they are liars/ignorant. The 4th nuclear plant and all that bullshit should be proof enough for the the laymen.
If we are to let private households have nuclear power on their roof tops (it’s a stupid premise from the get go, but I am just playing along as a “what if”), than both the -no doubt 3rd party people manufacturing said units- AND the government need to show beyond a fraction of a doubt that it’s safe. For all of us familiar in Taiwan with government, grants, projects, universities, companies etc we all know this is beyond fucking laughable. Like, just gross level of ignorance. It’s just simply a non starter for anyone even slightly knowledgeable about how Taiwan actually works.
With that in mind, the onus is completely on the government to try and prove it’s worth. Others might say “try to show safety”…this is WRONG. Basically an L.Oh.L. They need to show their worth. In this sense it means more than safety, also competency, honesty and ability. Which taiwan has failed at repeatedly throughout sectors and over multiple generations. Also, simply undeniable.
I think most of us agree the dream of clean and safe nuclear power is a very promising goal. The problem is we do not currently have the ability to manage it. And people need to start being honest about this point. If we did, they would have already started building (Taiwan is a very rich country, after all!) and this conversation wouldn’t exist.
The other point is talking about cutting edge new designs. Great on paper. Like much of science. Just like a new vaccine. But if we aren’t in an emergency, we don’t need to beta test a potentially disastrous thing on a high population area that has an insanely difficult escape route. They can test that shit for a couple decades in the Australian outback etc where there is far less risk a d possibility to escape via land routes. Taiwan is a tiny country. An island, no less! The risk benefit factor isn’t justified as there is no escape and place to settle if disaster strikes. This is just common sense.
The laws of physics don’t require decades long case studies. And the notion that people rather starve than to be “unjust” is a mental disease of white suburbia, that has unfortunately managed to infect other parts of the “Western” world by now.
Industrial societies requite cheap energy, that’s another one of those facts that don’t require decades more of research. Your brave new world where the masses are happily starving for the sake of polar bears and penguins is just another one of those trust fund baby fads.
And yeah, I know I sound like a Trumpist now. But the difference is that I don’t deny global warming. I am simply not ready to return back to the stone age to fight it.
And Gen IV nuclear power plants are a technically feasibly alternative to carry the base load required to make Wind & Solar economically viable. To play ideological hardball on this is just asking for people to completely reject the entire climate change agenda.
People need to eat, pay the rent, feed their families. And no nation can survive the transformation by simply increasing the welfare state w/o limit. No industry is no option.
Taiwan already has cheap electricity. Like, super cheap. Physics and research talk is nice, but things need to play out in real world scenarios. Even current waste has no proper plan here in Taiwan. That’s why people are worried. It’s not the physics and the on paper number crunching that makes people worried, as I stated above. The people are the variable, in this case the government. And in the governments case, they haven’t shown an amazing capability to do a whole lot without corruption and fuckery. Ie. The 4th nuclear plant. You must see why people can’t trust them after that shit show.
Seems logical that if one wants to sway public opinion on nuclear in the future, one must first show they are managing nuclear well now. Which they are not.
If basic competency cannot be displayed, it’s really almost pointless discussing further new plants. I mean, how long have we (the world) been discussing thorium?
Either way, best to test out in regions with greater land mass. Hopefully less corrupt and inept governments. Work out the kinks somewhere that can afford a dead zone. It’s just good practice.
You sound quite confused and uninformed about the political situation and the history of social movements in Taiwan. Perhaps read more? Good luck.
Guy
HK was like that , all China had to do was “turn off the water” A lot of the water came from China.