Taiwanese behavior in restaurants

How to begin and where to end describing the extremely odd etiquette in Taiwan’s roadside restaurants? Besides the appalling manners and folksy charm, there also seems to be almost no awareness of those other than the one who is eating; themselves.

My girlfriend works in a very busy and successful but smallish restaurant in one of the night market areas. So I have had first hand observation of some of the day to day operations of one of these places. Some of you may also be privy to these things, but because I have a seat semi-reserved near the prep-area, I may have a different perspective.

One of the strangest things I have noticed is utter disregard for the employees of these restaurants by the customers. During Chinese New Year when this restaurant was fiercely busy, people would walk right through the cooking area as if it didn’t exist. There would be more than a dozen people being served or waiting (which should be obvious), but the only thing these people would be thinking about is the fastest way to a table, bumping into the employees on their way through the tiny space.

This happens whether it is busy or not. They have no idea that because they are doing this, they will probably have to wait that much longer to be served, no matter how loud they yell at the servers. If my girlfriend is busy preparing meals that are ready to go, customers will badger her from behind and beside her for their orders, oblivious of the order she is preparing.

Of course it is not always this way. There are some great regulars who come in and they seem to be polite and kind enough to let her do her thing and she will get around to them. Some are occasional customers who behave themselves yet still do the oddest things. More often than not she has to grin and bear it.

I have noticed more than once or twice that it takes all the people at a given table to pay for the meal. They must all stand tightly together and press up against my table so that whoever is paying will have close company, and they all get in on the act. This seems to be some sort of treat after the meal for them. However, this crowds the preparation area and doesn’t seem to faze them in the least

The most important thing to them is that they all pay for the meal as a group, standing shoulder-to-shoulder.

Because of the proximity of my table, people tend to stand right above me for longish periods without noticing I am trying to eat. I realise that my table is near the kitchen of this outdoor restaurant, but for a long while their head will be almost right over top of me when there is plenty of room a few feet to the right. I’ll give them a look as if to say “do you mind?”, but they have no idea. I wonder how they would feel if I crowded their table? Probably nothing I suppose.

People also reach straight across my table, over my plate of food, arm nudging my chopsticks, just to grab a napkin from the far side of the table. It seems there is nothing impolite about this behavior. I’ve taken to placing the napkins on the stool beside my table so that everyone must go that extra mile to grab a napkin.

Some people are utterly lost when they come into the area of the restaurant and don’t realise where to sit to be served. So they quiz my girl on this. Some will play musical chairs until they are satisfied, ordering at one table and receiving their meal at another when my girlfriend realises they have moved.

The lauban is a prick. He has one of the best restaurants in the area and is never satisfied with the volume of service and takes it out on everyone including his Mainland wife and my girlfriend, who happens to be a natural server and he probably wouldn’t have half the customers if it wasn’t for her. She has quit twice now and he has begged her to come back both time after a week or so. Then he goes right back to being a prick. She’s pulling in about NT$40,000 a month so she sticks around.

These restaurants are off the rails as far as civilized atmosphere goes, but there are some evenings when it is enjoyable to be there. I love eating outside and the wide open nature of these places can be stimulating. Some of the other regular customers are genuinely good people and we all share some good times together. Most of the staff is good at what they do but have to be bullet-proof to work in that environment.

But because I see what they go through every day, it makes me appreciate teaching that much more and thank my lucky stars I don’t have to serve in a Taiwanese restaurant.

-if you are with a group of friends, talk as loud and excitedly as possible, and don’t be afraid to yell and screech.

-if you are with someone of the opposite sex, spend the entire time on your iPhone.

-if you have small children, let them run wild through and annoy the other tables.

-take several pictures of every dish that lands on your table.

Its very simple, there simply is no etiquette and no rules when it comes to Taiwanese eating as a group !! Meals are supposed to be barbarian style and a lot of FUN !

You are supposed to make a mess and enjoy doing it.

Talk as loudly as possible so everyone can hear you.

Thats why sometimes a group of wannabe thugs will get into it with another group. But most of that happens at KTVs when someone takes offense at someone else’s attempt at singing :smiley:

That’s life baby!

Now you all know why Confucius said “no knives”. Otherwise 3 dead every meal.

[quote=“tommy525”]Its very simple, there simply is no etiquette and no rules when it comes to Taiwanese eating as a group !! Meals are supposed to be barbarian style and a lot of FUN !

You are supposed to make a mess and enjoy doing it.

Talk as loudly as possible so everyone can hear you.

Thats why sometimes a group of wannabe thugs will get into it with another group. But most of that happens at KTVs when someone takes offense at someone else’s attempt at singing :smiley:[/quote]
I guess you are right… …

Ever watch Commander Riker of Star Trek when he goes to Klingon events like Banquets and Social Parties. He looks around, gets this glint in his eye and dives right in. …
That’s it… The inspiration for Klingon Social Dining Etiquette come directly from Taiwan! At least that’s what I thought when I first stepped foot into a Taiwanese restaurant. Except, I don’t think I’ve seen him interact with servers or wait staff.

Go work in a higher class restaurant or something. If your girlfriend is such a good waitress then she doesn’t have to put up with the laoban being a prick because restaurants are a dime a dozen in Taiwan, and in Taipei higher class restaurants are all over the place, and I am sure they pay better than smallish restaurants.

Yes indeed, one could suppose the general " l’air du temps" if you will , at Paris 1930 chez le TAipei Ritz will be a smidgen more subdued, while still sanguine.

I blame the parents. Never told their kids how to behave, how to treat others and hoped it would just come naturally. Guess what it doesn’t.

Everyone is programmed to not create a scene, for the good of the group, just ignore things. People know this and many have turned this to their advantage.

Taiwan lacks empowerment. People are afraid of the consequences of empowerment, that it will cause a loss of face and bring disharmony. It may well result in that.

Us westerners have our view of these things, which I feel, comes from another logic. That is such a big thing. The Taiwanese logic doesn’t naturally marry to ours. We struggle.

I would like to see more empowerment but, unless it’s approved and programmed, we will remain in this constant state of harmony. Which is, the good people ignore the bad people but, the social issues arising from bad behaviour are never addressed.

Precisely. What? People should pander to your Canookislakofaghanistanism exactly WHY? You get by or you founder. I REALLY dislike these “god! They’re SO uncivilized!” rants. Guess what? Spitting chicken bones on the table is NOT considered uncivilized here, except maybe for wannabe noveau riche douchebags who have watched to many Yanqui films. And even for them, as soon as they go back home to Maolin or wherever for their CNY dinner, they’ll happily do exactly that with gay abandon.

I don’t do restaurants much, but on the few occasions that I have, in Taiwan, I’ve found North Americans to be far more loud and uncouth than the Taiwanese.

I guess I’m not hanging out at night-market “restaurants”, though.

Many people want to get their food fast … shove it in their mouth … leave. All within 5-10 minutes if possible, time is money! :doh:

I still smell some business. I like your reasoning :thumbsup:

Precisely. What? People should pander to your Canookislakofaghanistanism exactly WHY? You get by or you founder. I REALLY dislike these “god! They’re SO uncivilized!” rants. Guess what? Spitting chicken bones on the table is NOT considered uncivilized here, except maybe for wannabe noveau riche douchebags who have watched to many Yanqui films. And even for them, as soon as they go back home to Maolin or wherever for their CNY dinner, they’ll happily do exactly that with gay abandon.[/quote]

One of the reasons I like Taiwan so much is that I can pig out at a table without anyone batting an eyelash.

youtube.com/watch?v=Rp66qbdCz0U

Or should I call it ‘food chute’ … :ponder:

[quote=“jimipresley”]I don’t do restaurants much, but on the few occasions that I have, in Taiwan, I’ve found North Americans to be far more loud and uncouth than the Taiwanese.

I guess I’m not hanging out at night-market “restaurants”, though.[/quote]

You got me, jimi. I got the worst of both worlds :notworthy:

Then why does my SO always tell me I’m talking too loudly when I’m just talking normally and just loud enough to be heard over the din?

Then why does my SO always tell me I’m talking too loudly when I’m just talking normally and just loud enough to be heard over the din?[/quote]

simple you are a waiguro and your voice is different and carries over the voices of all others?? :slight_smile:

Then why does my SO always tell me I’m talking too loudly when I’m just talking normally and just loud enough to be heard over the din?[/quote]

It’s because you insist on wearing that superman costume AND cape everywhere you go, and then telling her how you were in Paris 20 minutes ago saving a bus full of tourists on the edge of a precipice. You’ve got to stop drawing attention to yourself mate. :smiley:

Then why does my SO always tell me I’m talking too loudly when I’m just talking normally and just loud enough to be heard over the din?[/quote]

simple you are a waiguro and your voice is different and carries over the voices of all others?? :slight_smile:[/quote]
A waiguro?

I prefer to think of myself as an English speaking Taiwanese. But I know what you mean with the voice, although I’ve noticed that the North American accent tends to sound a lot louder than other English accents.

Ah! That probably explains the stares. :wink: