Taiwan's criminal law prohibiting citizens from defacing portraits of Sun Yat-sen

If you consider fleeing to Taiwan as a win, I would never want to play a game as your teammate :rofl:

No, if the CCP would collapse, that would be due to a new revolution, why would they invite the party of their former dictator to replace CCP?

CCP have no fear of the KMT nowadays, they are only afraid of their own population

Mao Zedong. China’s National Day is on the day Mao set up the PRC on Oct 1, 1949, in Tiananmen. The ROC’s National Day isn’t even celebrated as a national holiday in China (if I keep repeating this, it might sink in- but, naw.)

Straw man argument and disingenuous. Next!

No one said anything about inviting…And it wouldn’t be due to a new revolution. It would be due to a coup d’etat. Historically China has gone from dynasty to warlord states. Don’t see why it wouldn’t happen again.

The KMT…is their own population…and in a political vacuum (with international backing) you’d be surprised what kind of miracles can be pulled off.

And where…did…the…CCP…and…the…KMT…come…from?

This isn’t like my opinion or anything. Should I refer you to a China History 101 class or any link about the history of China?

Feels like being back in the 90’s when hearing this. Not even the really dark blue KMT believes in this anymore :rofl: They gave up on this many years ago.

Going back to the origins part of this thread….

In my view, having a law against this is outdated. What Taiwan should continue doing is remove all old stuff on CKS and SYS, except keeping the two main parks in Taipei as a valuable history lesson which needs to be kept balanced on good and bad deeds.

That dynamic NEVER left…

It’s not about believing or not…it’s about what the cards on the table are and what are your objectives.

For the people who have let this Bretton Woods world peace view of how things work…this next decade is gonna hurt lol

You are jumping. The Bretton Wood is about world peace and cooperation after WWII, while a collapse of CCP is an internal China issue which have nothing to do with other countries (including Taiwan and KMT)

A collapse of China will hurt the world economy, but zero opportunity for KMT to return to power in China

Doesn’t the president still literally bow to a portrait of SYS? Or did they abolish that?

Yes but why? It wasn’t for global prosperity…that was a biproduct. The main reason for that agreement was for American national security.

The Americans feared the soviets and wanted a strong enough meat shield to keep them boxed in.

If the CCP fails…from an American perspective…as long as it doesn’t affect our national security we can live with it. It’ll hurt but we know we will come out on top.

Remember America is the nation that was willing to go into an all out nuclear war for its national security during the Cuba missile crisis.

Fortunately for the terrorists their activities were contained after we invaded Iraq….America would gone scorched earth otherwise….imho

I mean look at this Tik tok ban…:slight_smile:

As for the 0 chance - I recommend the book Republic of China. It shows the small start of the KMT and how it rose to power. The warring era of China still hasn’t ended…the CCP say so openly and the KMT are biding their time.

Now would they win when China goes back to warring states? I think they have a strong chance but only time will telll

The book was popular when it came out, an interesting history book about 1912-1949…. But it has nothing to do with today… Go out and chat with the older KMT politicians and supporters, the story and ambition today is very different. Feed them some Kaoliang to hear the truth :rofl:

Honestly, how worried would you be? Or how much would you trust to have this guy being in charge of 1.4B people and the nuclear weapon button? :wink:

Hmmm… ISIS etc. The Iraq invasion did nothing to stop terrorism… and Bin Laden was Saudi, not Iraqi

It will cause issues for USA too, but as long as it can be kept inside China as a China internal affair, the main impact will be trade

This is where I disagree.

Yes their primary focus now is survival…but their geopolitical imperative has not changed. This has happened to the KMT in the past. Thisll be known as the “Taiwan Era”

If I were ROC Chinese Id be worried. The warring states are on pause - youll see.

And China will splinter first as it has for centuries - not sure how you could be so confident that history wont repeat itself…

But here - listen to a close European neighbor

Yes it will - but like tectonic plates moving and vokcanoes erupting…so do the geopolitical ones.

I don’t argue that China might fall apart sometime in the future, even it is unlikely, another revolution might happen. I just don’t think KMT/ROC will have anything to do with it, not even KMT themselves have an ambition to retake China anymore.

That’s true it is not necessarily imminent…but I’d argue in the next decade due to the fact that Xi is gonna move on with no apparent heir, China has lost its consumer demographic to age and yes there are many young men who’ve got nothing to lose.

Oh and Trump is gonna ramp up the pressure the same way Reagan did with the USSR back in the 80s

I dont think that the KMT as it stands do…but…if the door opened…if the power vacuum was there…if the KMT got backing from the US and Japan again…then maybe…just maybe…it’ll put its foot in the door and who knows?

US should focus on its existing issues, no need to create another hole to shovel money down

What it should do and must do are two different things. America has for the most part always had an offensive national security policy (divide and conquer?) And I can see it wanting a subdued China no matter who’s on top.

I argue the KMT because they have a working relationship with America and Japan already - and Japan is the coming superpower in Asia and we want her on our side…If we can get a Japan and a fractured but loyal China then we gud.

All these points have nothing whatsoever to do with the contemporary KMT.

Guy

Tristan Hilderbrand, " President Lai and Vice-president Hsiao swear in, marking the end of Tsai’s presidency," Radio Taiwan International, May 20, 2024