The case of the recirculation button in Taiwan and abroad

Not sure if this topic has already been discussed elsewhere, just something that has unexpectedly been a bit of a source of conflict for me recently due to different cultural perception.

TLDR: In Taiwan, most people always keep the recirculation on which can increase CO2 levels in the car to levels which are known to significantly affect cognitive function. A non-issue or maybe a negative contributor to traffic safety…?

But let’s start with the basics first:
Pretty much every car with AC (so I’d guess 100% of cars sold in Taiwan) has a little button with an image which looks similar like this:

This button causes the ventilation system of the car to recirculate the indoor air instead of supplying “fresh” air from outside. The benefit is obviously that “bad”, stinky air from outside (PM 2.5 and others) won’t get inside and it can also increase AC efficiency.

So pretty much a no-brainer to keep it on continuously?
In fact, that’s basically what people in Taiwan (and in most of Asia from what I have seen) keep that button on all the time. In fact, most cars will automatically turn on this function when being started.

The situation is completely opposite in Europe: There, many car manufacturers place a warning about this particular button in the manuals of their cars (like this one):

Stale air can cause the driver to tire quickly and lose concentration, which can lead to collisions, accidents and serious injuries.

  • Never use recirculation mode for a longer period of time, as no fresh air enters the passenger compartment.
  • When the cooling system is switched off, the windows can mist up very quickly in recirculation mode and severely restrict visibility.
  • Switch off recirculation mode if it is not required.

I also remember vaguely about being told this in driving school: Turn it on when needed (e.g. when driving through a tunnel), but don’t forget to turn it off after some time because the air will get stale eventually.

Also, I remember having a newish car in German which would turn off air recirculation after a couple of minutes (actually, I had to ask the dealer to recode that feature because the time was so short that I couldn’t even pass a medium-length tunnel without the recirculation turning off itself).

Even automobile magazines will always address the topic of air recirculation with warnings, such as:

Important to know: If you use the recirculation button, you should switch it off again after a certain period of time. This is because the carbon dioxide content in the air in the car increases, which can lead to tiredness, poor concentration or a reduced reaction speed.

The US seems to be mostly with Taiwan on that one (at least when taking Reddit as an indicator):

Q: Is it safe to have the air recirculation on for more than 5 minutes?
A: Wut
A: LOL. This might be the funniest thing I’ve read on Reddit in ages.
A: Not sure if this is a trolling post but automobile HVAC engineer here, you can run your air in recirc as much as you would like.
A: Consider fan death as well, since there is a fan blowing that air through the vents.

Then, there is the scientific / academic aspect:

There seems to be consensus that high CO2 levels in the air can negatively affect some areas of cognitive function (e.g. here or here):

The control CO2 levels used for comparison were below 1000 ppm, while the exposure concentrations were divided into three groups: 1000–1500 ppm, 1500–3000 ppm, and 3000–5000 ppm. The results indicated that CO2 exposure below 5000 ppm impacted human cognitive performance, with complex cognitive tasks being more significantly affected than simple tasks. The complex task performance declined significantly when exposed to additional CO2 concentrations of 1000–1500 ppm and 1500–3000 ppm

So CO2 concentrations somewhere above 1500-2500 ppm definitely seem to be bad for cognitive performance. Often, a level of 1000-1500 ppm is seen as a “threshold” level for acceptable CO2 content of the air.

And then there are studies that measure of model CO2 levels in cars while the recirculation mode is on, such as:

Result: With the air recirculation turned on and more than one occupant, levels of over 2000ppm (and even above 5000 ppm with four occupants) can be reached after less than one hour.

In-vehicle CO2 concentration in cars can reach levels that are higher than the safety values prescribed by standards, especially when the vehicle carries its full passenger capacity. When the vehicle is in REC mode, where no or minimal fresh air is taken into the vehicle cabin, there is a rapid increase in the CO2 level

Overall, cars seem to be much more air-tight than people generally believe:

When the vehicles are parked for long time, the CO2 concentration decays gradually to an acceptable level. Parking for a period of about 10 hr brings the concentration level to near ambient level

There is some research about optimizing recirculation by either shutting it one and off periodically or combining recirculation with fresh air, but so far it doesn’t seem that manufactures implement those measures widely (some Tesla cars seem to toggle recirc on and off).

So what should we take away from all of this?

Honestly, I am not sure: I do feel, though, that this topic seems to receive less attention that it maybe should:

While the “European” way of only using recirculation in “exceptional” situations does not seem to be ideal in a country like Taiwan because of increased pollution making its way into the cabin and the reduced efficiency of the AC, I still do have my doubts that keeping on air recirculation all the time (like it’s practiced in Taiwan) is really a good idea: If concentration of the driver really suffers when CO2 is building up in the car, that’s definitely a safety issue. Who knows, maybe this effect even explains some of the accidents or fatalities happening in Taiwan where the driver was “tired” or “distracted”…

Anyone else ever wondered about this?
Or put some thought into this topic…? :thinking:

I believe AC systems will generally have a filter for the incoming air, so the particle pollution argument is not strong

Thanks for the PSA

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There are also other kinds of pollutants which cannot easily be filtered out such as O3, NOx, SOx, … and of course the general exhaust smell which let’s people perceive the air as “unhealthy”.

For me personally, the trade-off of having to endure “stinky” and slightly polluted air, but adequate CO2 levels is rather clear: I mostly want “fresh” air from outside - and don’t want to risk fatigue from high CO2 levels.

But that doesn’t seem to be the way people in Taiwan look at this topic. Although, ironically, people will still keep all windows at school / at home open even when the AQI exceeds 100 and above to let in “fresh” (but non “stinky”) air…

My topic wasn’t primarily meant as a PSA - I am more wondering if there are more aspects to it.

Maybe cars sold in Taiwan (or modern cars in general?) already have some kind of “forced” outside-air intake on recirculation mode? Are cars in Taiwan just built differently? Even maybe 5% or 10% or 15% outside air would probably make a huge difference. But I haven’t been able to find any evidence about this.

Even European car manufacturers (the same ones that warn about the danger of air recirculation in Europe), code their vehicles for the Taiwan market (and I’d guess the entire Asian market) with air recirculation enabled on engine-on. That just seems a bit… strange… :thinking:

Some comment from ChatGPT:
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One example of a brand and model that features a system capable of blending outside air with recirculated air is the Toyota Highlander.

For instance, the 2020 Toyota Highlander has an advanced climate control system where, when the air conditioning is set to recirculate, it can still allow a small amount of outside air to enter the cabin. This feature is designed to improve air quality by preventing the cabin from becoming too stuffy or overly humid.

Another example would be BMW’s i3 or 7 Series models, which have more sophisticated climate control systems that automatically adjust the blend of recirculated and outside air based on factors like humidity and air quality.

These models often come with dual-zone or tri-zone climate control and enhanced ventilation settings that allow for better management of inside and outside airflow for optimal comfort and air quality

I’d guess that this model comes with a leaver instead of a button. This allows regulating the ventilation between full recirculating and full outside air with potentially allowing setting is between:

In Taiwan, that leaver is probably only being moved once to fully recirculate…

Yeah - upper class and luxury cars come with all kinds of “fancy” features in this area: Deodorizers, automatic recirculation using air quality sensors, “military grade” air filters, …. But I’d guess that these kinds of features apply only to a fraction of the cars in Taiwan.

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It depends where you are at the moment. In traffic your air intake is close to the exhaust of other cars. So it’s not fresh air that goes inside.

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When I lived in Canada it was far more prevalent than here. Not cooling related, but heat. Just was warmer faster. Obviously, recirculating.

I don’t think this is a Taiwan issue to be honest.

The thought a car has a hepa level filter and it will make your air cleaner is a bit of a sign we aren’t dealing with a strongly intelligent society. AC unit cleanjng can be a good comparison as well. It’s just convenience/laziness/ignorance I think. Easier to live somewhere less polluted than try and figure out why each button is nearly useless in terms of cleaning ones air.

Pretty much everytime I am in a mechanic, people are getting the mechanic to air blast their radiator because it’s clogged. Needs cleaning, fair. But… Good for the mechanic, those thin metal folds will need a replacing right quick after the compressor strength air has flattened enough of them…in industry its called job security :frowning:

We either clean up our act or all wear respirators. Can’t see any other way around this issue. Otherwise it’s just enjoying fumes and/or getting slightly faster hot/cold results. Recirculation just uses the crappy car “filter” and our lungs to filter the air. I guess, to be fair, it is marginally better once our lungs filter some gunk out there is less gunk to filter out next breath