The Obama is a Big Fat Liar Thread

Number 1: Obama says Health Care will cost 900Billion$ over ten years

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Or did I miss a “give or take 800 BILLION”?

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Democrats employed many accounting tricks when they were pushing through the national health care legislation, the most egregious of which was to delay full implementation of the law until 2014, so it would appear cheaper under the CBO’s standard ten-year budget window and, at least on paper, meet Obama’s pledge that the legislation would cost “around $900 billion over 10 years.” When the final CBO score came out before passage, critics noted that the true 10 year cost would be far higher than advertised once projections accounted for full implementation.

Today, the CBO released new projections from 2013 extending through 2022, and the results are as critics expected: the ten-year cost of the law’s core provisions to expand health insurance coverage has now ballooned to $1.76 trillion. That’s because we now have estimates for Obamacare’s first nine years of full implementation, rather than the mere six when it was signed into law. Only next year will we get a true ten-year cost estimate, if the law isn’t overturned by the Supreme Court or repealed by then. Given that in 2022, the last year available, the gross cost of the coverage expansions are $265 billion, we’re likely looking at about $2 trillion over the first decade, or more than double what Obama advertised.[/quote]
Thanks, Captain Jackass. :raspberry:

In the infamous YOU LIE speech Oblahblah gave in 2009, he said:[quote]
Now, add it all up, and the plan I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years – less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans that Congress passed at the beginning of the previous administration. (Applause.) Now, most of these costs will be paid for with money already being spent – but spent badly – in the existing health care system.
The plan will not add to our deficit. The middle class will realize greater security, not higher taxes.
And if we are able to slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of 1 percent each year – one-tenth of 1 percent – it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term.[/quote]
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I can see this thread going places.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yes, we can!

Number 2: Energy lies:

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The Obama campaign just released a website that purports to provide “the facts of President Obama energy record.” This is an intentional effort by the Obama campaign to distort the President’s abysmal energy record. After all, energy production on federal land is down under President Obama and the Obama campaign is trying their hardest to hide and obfuscate this basic fact.[/quote]
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Some goodies:[quote]

Obama Claim: “Since President Obama took office, oil imports have been reduced by an average of 1.1 million barrels per day.”

Reality: A reduction of imports has happened without President Obama, not because of him. More than half of the reduction is because the ongoing recession and much higher price have made fuel so expensive that consumers are using less of it.[/quote]

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Obama Claim: 2010 domestic crude oil production reached its highest levels since 2003.

Reality: This is true, but the average production per day for 2011 is only 0.3 million barrels per day higher than in 2009. And, as noted above, the reason that U.S. crude oil production is increasing is because of production on private and state lands while production on federal lands is decreasing. The President cannot honestly take credit for the production on private and state lands, but he can take partial credit for decreasing production on federal lands.

Obama Claim: 2010 natural gas production reached its highest level in more than 30 years.

Reality: Yes natural gas production is up, but this is because of production on private and state lands because production on federal lands is decreasing. [4][/quote]

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Obama Claim: The U.S. has become a net energy exporter.

Reality: This claim is 100 percent false. Because the Obama campaign does not provide a single citation or source for their information, it is impossible to know how great its ignorance of energy facts extends. Every year, the Energy Information Administration, which is part of the Obama administration’s Department of Energy, publishes an Annual Energy Review. If the Obama campaign understood energy facts, they would have looked at Table 1.4 of the 2010 Annual Energy Review. They would have found a table titled, “Primary Energy Trade by Source, Selected Years, 1949–2010.” That table shows that in 2010, far from being a net energy exporter, the U.S. had net imports of 21 quadrillion Btus of energy of the 98 quadrillion btus used.[/quote]

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Obama Claim: The Obama administration has proposed a five-year offshore drilling plan that makes more than 75 percent of undiscovered oil and gas resources off our shores available for development, while putting in place common-sense safety requirements to prevent a disaster like the BP oil spill from happening again.

Reality: When President Obama was inaugurated nearly 100 percent of the offshore areas were available for exploration and development. Since then, the Obama administration has imposed limitations and made it far more difficult to produce energy on offshore areas. For example, even though there is bipartisan support from the Virginia delegation, including the state’s Democratic Senators, the Obama administration refuses to allow energy exploration off Virginia’s coast.[/quote]

My personal favorite is when he says the US has only 2% of the world’s oil reserves. :unamused:

The amount of oil and natural gas under the US is enormous. He’s talking PROVEN oil reserves. he also, as mentioned above is going out of his way to make it impossible to “prove” new fields.

Oo, oo… do the one on promising a more open government and the administration’s tenacity in going after whistle blowers. That’s one of my favourites.

I read went over the CBO report quickly and, well…

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The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally[/quote]

Obama didn’t lie and people…aren’t going to die. :laughing:

7 lies in 2 minutes. :bravo:

Jd, why don’t you actually read the CBO report? It’s not too much to ask is it?

Just get the Jim Geraghty “All Promises come with an expectoration date” list and be done with it.

You’re not going to convince people who believe Obama’s farts smell like roses any differently than they are going to convince people who believe Obama is the anti-christ.

[quote=“Mucha Man”]I read went over the CBO report quickly and, well…
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You read this:

cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbof … imates.pdf

[quote]Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act
MARCH 2012
In preparing the March 2012 baseline budget projections, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated estimates of the budgetary effects of the health insurance coverage provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).1 That legislation comprises the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148) and the health care provisions of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (P.L. 111-152).
The insurance coverage provisions of the ACA establish a mandate for most legal residents of the United States to obtain health insurance; create insurance “exchanges” through which certain individuals and families may receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of purchasing health insurance; significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid; impose an excise tax on certain health insurance plans with relatively high premiums; establish penalties on certain employers who do not provide minimum health benefits to their employees; and make other changes to prior law.2
CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period (see Table 1, following the text).3 The net costs reflect:
■ Gross additional costs of $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children’s Health
1 See Congressional Budget Office, Updated Budget Projections: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022 (March 2012).
2 For more information on the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA, see Congressional Budget Office, cost estimate for H.R. 4872, the Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 20, 2010).
3 The budgetary effects of the ACA discussed in this report are its effects on federal revenues and mandatory spending; they do not include federal administrative costs, which will be subject to future appropriation action. CBO has previously estimated that the Internal Revenue Service will need to spend between $5 billion and $10 billion over 10 years to implement the law, and that the Department of Health and Human Services and other federal agencies will have to spend at least $5 billion to $10 billion over that period. In addition, the ACA included explicit authorizations for spending by a variety of grant and other programs; that funding is also subject to future appropriation action.
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Insurance Program (CHIP), tax credits and other subsidies for the purchase of health insurance through the newly established exchanges and related costs, and tax credits for small employers,
■ Offset in part by about $0.4 trillion in receipts from penalty payments, the new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, and other budgetary effects (mostly increases in tax revenues).
Those amounts do not encompass all of the budgetary impacts of the ACA because that legislation has many other provisions, including some that will cause significant reductions in Medicare spending and others that will generate added tax revenues, relative to what would have occurred under prior law. CBO and JCT have previously estimated that the ACA will, on net, reduce budget deficits over the 2012–2021 period; that estimate of the overall budgetary impact of the ACA has not been updated.4
The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally. Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion. The net cost was boosted by an additional $168 billion in estimated costs for Medicaid and CHIP and $8 billion less in estimated revenues from the excise tax on high-premium health insurance plans. But those increases were more than offset by a reduction of $97 billion in the projected costs for the tax credits and other subsidies for health insurance provided through the exchanges and related spending, a reduction of $20 billion in the projected costs for tax credits for small employers, and a reduction of $107 billion in deficits from the projected revenue effects of changes in taxable compensation and penalty payments and from other small changes in estimated spending.
This report also presents estimates through fiscal year 2022, because the baseline projection period now extends through that additional year. The ACA’s provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012–2022 period (see Table 2, following the text); that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources). The addition of 2022 to the projection period has the effect of increasing the costs of the coverage provisions of the ACA
4 See the statement of Douglas W. Elmendorf, Director, Congressional Budget Office, before the Subcommittee on Health, House Committee on Energy and Commerce, CBO’s Analysis of the Major Health Care Legislation Enacted in March 2010 (March 30, 2011). For the provisions of the ACA unrelated to insurance coverage, most of which involve ongoing programs or revenue streams, separating the portion of the updated projections for those programs or revenue streams that is attributable to the ACA from the portion that would have existed under prior law is very difficult.
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relative to those projected in March 2011 for the 2012–2021 period because that change adds a year in which the expansion of eligibility for Medicaid and subsidies for health insurance purchased through the exchanges will be in effect. CBO and JCT have not estimated the budgetary effects in 2022 of the other provisions of the ACA; over the 2012–2021 period, those other provisions were previously estimated to reduce budget deficits.
CBO and JCT’s projections of health insurance coverage have also changed since last March. Fewer people are now expected to obtain health insurance coverage from their employer or in insurance exchanges; more are now expected to obtain coverage from Medicaid or CHIP or from nongroup or other sources. More are expected to be uninsured. The extent of the changes varies from year to year, but in 2016, for example, the ACA is now estimated to reduce the number of people receiving health insurance coverage through an employer by an additional 4 million enrollees relative to the March 2011 projections. In that year, CBO and JCT now estimate that there will be 2 million fewer enrollees in insurance exchanges. In the other direction, CBO and JCT now estimate that, in 2016, the ACA will increase enrollment in Medicaid and CHIP slightly more than previously estimated (but considerably more in 2014 and 2015), and it will reduce the number of people with nongroup or other coverage by 3 million less and the number of uninsured people by 2 million less than previously estimated.
Compared with prior law, the ACA is now estimated by CBO and JCT to reduce the number of nonelderly people without health insurance coverage by 30 million to 33 million in 2016 and subsequent years, leaving 26 million to 27 million nonelderly residents uninsured in those years (see Table 3, at the end of this report). The share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance is projected to rise from 82 percent in 2012 to 93 percent by 2022. According to the current estimates, from 2016 on, between 20 million and 23 million people will receive coverage through the new insurance exchanges, and 16 million to 17 million people will be enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP. Also, 3 million to 5 million fewer people will have coverage through an employer compared with the number under prior law.5
Reasons for Changes in Estimates Since March 2011
The major sources for the differences between the March 2011 and March 2012 projections are the following:
5 Some observers have expressed surprise that CBO and JCT’s previous estimates did not show a much larger reduction in the number of people receiving employment-based health insurance. CBO and JCT’s estimates take account of the expanded eligibility for Medicaid and the subsidies to be provided through the insurance exchanges, but they also recognize that the legislation leaves in place substantial financial incentives for firms to offer health insurance coverage and also creates new financial incentives for firms to offer such coverage and for many people to obtain it through their employers. Shortly, CBO will release an extensive analysis conducted with JCT of the incentives for firms to offer or not offer health insurance under the ACA, as well as a range of estimates of sources of coverage and federal budgetary outcomes that would result from the ACA under alternative assumptions about employers’ behavior.
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■ New Legislation. Several laws were enacted during the past year that changed the estimated budgetary effects of the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA.
■ Changes in the Economic Outlook. The March 2012 baseline incorporates CBO’s macroeconomic forecast published in January 2012, which reflects a slower recovery when compared with the forecast published in January 2011 (which was used in producing the March 2011 baseline).6
■ Technical Changes. The March 2012 baseline incorporates updated projections of the growth in private health insurance premiums, reflecting slower growth than the previous projections. In addition, CBO and JCT made a number of other technical changes in their estimating procedures.
New Legislation
Legislation enacted since March 2011 reduced the costs of the ACA’s coverage provisions by about $38 billion, according to CBO and JCT’s estimates. Lawmakers enacted three laws that modified the ACA’s coverage provisions:
■ The Three Percent Withholding Repeal and Job Creation Act (P.L. 112-56) adds nontaxable Social Security benefits to the definition of modified adjusted gross income for the purposes of determining eligibility for certain applicants for Medicaid and for subsidies for health insurance purchased through the exchanges. That change reduced the number of individuals who will qualify for Medicaid and increased the number who will qualify for subsidies through the exchanges. CBO and JCT estimated that the legislation will reduce the costs of the ACA’s insurance coverage provisions by $13 billion over the 2012–2021 period. That estimate includes a reduction of $33 billion in spending for Medicaid and an increase of $15 billion in costs for exchange subsidies over the 2012–2021 period, along with other effects that will increase deficits by an estimated $5 billion. (The budgetary effects of this legislation were incorporated in CBO’s January 2012 baseline.)7
■ The Comprehensive 1099 Taxpayer Protection and Repayment of Exchange Subsidy Overpayments Act of 2011 (P.L. 112-9) includes a provision that was estimated to reduce the costs of the ACA’s insurance coverage provisions by about $25 billion over the 2012–2021 period, mostly through reductions in the net costs of providing subsidies for purchasing health insurance through the exchanges. (The budgetary effects of this legislation were incorporated in CBO’s August 2011 baseline.)8
■ The Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act of 2011 (P.L. 112-10) repealed the Free Choice Voucher program, which
6 See Congressional Budget Office, The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022 (January 2012).
7 Ibid, p. 100.
8 See Congressional Budget Office, The Budget and Economic Outlook: An Update (August 2011), p. 64.
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provided a mechanism through which certain employees could use their employer’s health insurance contribution to purchase coverage through the exchanges. CBO and JCT estimated that repealing this provision will increase revenues by $0.4 billion over the 2012–2021 period. (The budgetary effects of this legislation were also incorporated in CBO’s August 2011 baseline.)9
Changes in the Economic Outlook
In its January 2012 economic forecast, CBO revised its projections of certain economic factors that will affect the number of people eligible for subsidized health insurance coverage under the ACA through Medicaid, CHIP, or the health insurance exchanges. In that forecast, the unemployment rate is higher throughout the projection period than it was in last year’s forecast. CBO also now estimates that wages and salaries will be lower than it previously anticipated.
Those changes yield an increase in the projected number of people eligible for Medicaid and CHIP as a result of the ACA. They also yield a small reduction in the number projected to be eligible for subsidies for purchasing insurance through the exchanges. That reduction is the net effect of two changes resulting from the forecast of lower incomes: More people are now projected to be eligible for Medicaid or CHIP rather than for exchange subsidies, and at the same time, some people whose incomes were expected to be too high for them to be eligible for exchange subsidies are now projected to be eligible for them. The first effect on estimated participation in the exchanges is greater than the second.10 (Those shifts in eligibility because of revised economic projections more than offset the shifts in eligibility in the other direction caused by the change in the definition of income used to determine eligibility enacted in P.L. 112-56.)
Technical Changes
Growth in private health care spending has been slower in the past several years than it had been earlier. According to recent data on national health expenditures, private health insurance premiums per enrollee in the United States grew by 8.4 percent per year, on average, between 2000 and 2005 but by 5.3 percent per year, on average, between 2005 and 2010—and by only 3.7 percent in 2010.11 Similar trends are observed in the growth of private health insurance premiums in survey data from the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey: Premiums per enrolled employee grew by between 8.5 percent and 9.6 percent annually between 2000 and 2005 but by between 4.4 percent and 5.3 percent annually between 2005 and 2010.12 Consequently, CBO has reduced its projection of the growth in such
9 Ibid, p. 65.
10 Another factor that reduced the projected number of people whose income will make them eligible for exchange subsidies is an adjustment to the projected distribution of income that increased the number of people with very low income and also increased the number of people with income above the range of eligibility for exchange subsidies.
11 See Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, National Health Expenditure Data: Historical, Table 16, “Per Enrollee Expenditures and Average Annual Percent Change in Medicare Spending and in Private Health Insurance Premiums, Calendar Years 1969–2010,” cms.gov/ NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf.
12 Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, Center for Cost and Financing Studies, 2000, 2005, and 2010 Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, Insurance Component Tables I.C.1 and
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premiums, particularly in the early years of the coming decade. CBO now projects that private health insurance premiums per enrollee will increase by 5.7 percent per year, on average, between 2012 and 2022. By 2021, premiums are now estimated to be about 8 percent lower than CBO estimated in March 2011. That change reduces the estimated costs of the coverage provisions of the ACA.
CBO and JCT also made a number of technical changes in their estimating procedures. Those changes incorporate new information from survey data and other sources; improvements in the methods used to estimate changes in insurance coverage, including refinements in how households decide which types of health insurance policies to take up; and additional information about how the Administration is likely to implement certain aspects of the coverage provisions of the ACA, derived from proposed regulations and other administrative guidance and announcements that have been issued over the past year.13
Changes in the Major Components of the Insurance Coverage Estimates
Because many of the changes discussed above were incorporated in the current estimates simultaneously, precisely quantifying the effects of each change is not possible. The combined effects of those changes over the 2012–2021 period are these:
■ An increase of $168 billion in projected outlays for Medicaid and CHIP;
■ A decrease of $97 billion in projected costs for exchange subsidies and related spending;
■ A decrease of $20 billion in the cost of tax credits for small employers; and
■ An additional $99 billion in net deficit reductions from penalty payments, the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, and other effects on tax revenues and outlays—with most of those effects reflecting changes in revenues.
Medicaid and CHIP Outlays
According to CBO and JCT’s projections for the 2012–2021 period, spending for Medicaid resulting from the coverage provisions of the ACA will be $160 billion more than estimated last year, and such spending for CHIP will be $8 billion more. Those upward revisions are attributable in part to higher projected enrollment in those programs, especially for 2014 and 2015. The upward
I.D.1, meps.ahrq.gov/mepsweb/data_stats … mponent=2& subcomponent=1.
13 On March 12, 2012, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a final rule related to the implementation of insurance exchanges (see ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2012-06125_PI.pdf). CBO’s March 2012 estimates of the effects of the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA were finalized prior to the issuance of that rule and therefore do not incorporate any new information that the rule may contain.
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revisions also reflect an increase in the projected federal share of costs for people enrolled in the programs under the ACA.14
The higher unemployment and lower wages and salaries in CBO’s latest economic forecast, as compared with those in CBO’s forecast last year, will increase the number of people who will qualify for Medicaid and CHIP as a result of the ACA. The increase in the projected number of enrollees in Medicaid because of those economic revisions accounts for almost all of the estimated increase in the additional participation in the program stemming from the ACA. In addition, the changes to the economic outlook mean that more children are now estimated to be eligible for and to enroll in CHIP compared with the March 2011 estimates; those changes add about 1 million CHIP enrollees in 2014 and 2015 and account for about half of the total increase in projected enrollment in the program relative to previous projections.
Other changes in the estimates for Medicaid and CHIP stem from a proposed rule issued by the Administration that clarified how certain provisions may be implemented:15
■ The proposed rule outlines the Administration’s intent to provide states with a choice of three methods to shift their existing systems for determining eligibility for Medicaid to new systems under the ACA. The proposed rule appears to offer states a greater opportunity to define new thresholds so as to increase the number of enrollees who will qualify for higher matching payments from the federal government.16
■ The proposed rule also specifies that, beginning in 2014, children in households with income under 138 percent of the federal poverty level will continue to be covered by CHIP in states where CHIP eligibility extends below that income threshold. CBO had previously assumed that those children would, in 2014, be switched to Medicaid, for which the federal government would be paying a lower share of their costs. This change accounts for about
14 CBO estimates that increases in state spending for Medicaid and CHIP related to the coverage provisions of the ACA for the 2012–2021 period will be about $60 billion—essentially unchanged from the March 2011 estimates of state spending for the same period. The effect on state spending is expected to be about the same in the current estimates, despite the higher enrollment and larger federal costs, because more enrollees are expected to qualify for a higher federal share of their costs than estimated in March 2011. For the 2012–2022 period, state spending for Medicaid and CHIP is expected to increase by $73 billion as a result of the coverage provisions of the ACA.
15 Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, “Medicaid Program; Eligibility Changes Under the Affordable Care Act of 2010,” Federal Register, vol. 76, no. 159 (August 17, 2011), pp. 51148–51199, gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-08 … -20756.pdf.
16 Costs for Medicaid and CHIP are shared by the federal government and the states. For most people qualifying for Medicaid under pre-ACA law, the federal government would pay about 57 percent of their costs, on average, with the rate varying between 50 percent and 75 percent among states. For people who were not eligible for Medicaid before but will be eligible under the ACA, the federal government will pay all of their costs through 2017 and between 90 percent and 95 percent of their costs thereafter. For people qualifying for CHIP, the federal government will pay, on average, about 93 percent of their costs between 2016 and 2019 and about 70 percent of their costs for other years (again, with variation among states).
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half of the increase in projected enrollment in CHIP compared with projected enrollment in the March 2011 baseline.
Exchange Subsidies and Related Spending
In CBO and JCT’s updated estimates, subsidies to be provided through the new insurance exchanges over the 2012–2021 period are lower than in the previous estimates by $97 billion—reflecting $87 billion less in projected tax credits for health insurance premiums and $10 billion less in projected cost-sharing subsidies and related spending. The major change affecting the cost of exchange subsidies is the reduction in projected premiums described above. That effect is slightly offset by an increase in the estimated cost of providing the essential health benefits (EHB) required by the ACA.
In particular, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued a bulletin in December 2011 that provided new information on its approach to establishing the EHB package.17 Despite that bulletin, the specific approach that HHS will take in defining and implementing the package is still uncertain, and the decisions that states will make in response to federal regulations are difficult to predict. Nevertheless, because of the bulletin, CBO and JCT now expect that the scope of benefits that will qualify as allowable health insurance expenses for the purpose of exchange subsidies will be slightly broader than previously estimated.
Other changes also had an effect on projected exchange subsidies: Between 1 million and 2 million fewer people per year are expected to receive exchange subsidies, as compared with the March 2011 estimates. That change is, in part, a reflection of the revised economic forecast, which (as described above) caused CBO to project an increase in the number of people with income making them eligible for Medicaid and CHIP and a decrease in the number with income making them eligible for exchange subsidies.
Tax Credits for Small Employers
In the current estimates, CBO and JCT reduced the projected cost of small business tax credits to reflect preliminary tax data showing that small businesses have been slower to take advantage of the credits than originally estimated.
Other Revenues
In the updated estimates, the amount of deficit reduction from penalty payments and other effects on tax revenues under the ACA is larger than the amount in the previous estimates. Primarily, that change reflects a larger estimated reduction in the number of people receiving health insurance coverage through their employer.
In particular, technical improvements in CBO’s model of health insurance coverage and new information from the Administration have, on balance, increased the number of people projected not to receive employment-based coverage because of the ACA. For example, the new estimates incorporate an
17 Department of Health and Human Services, Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, Essential Health Benefits Bulletin (December 16, 2011), cciio.cms.gov/resources/ files/Files2/12162011/essential_health_benefits_bulletin.pdf.
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announcement by the Administration that implementation of a provision requiring large employers to automatically enroll their employees in health insurance beginning in 2014 will be delayed; the estimates now reflect an assumption that the requirement will begin to take effect in 2015.18
Revising down the number of workers projected to receive insurance coverage through an employer relative to the previous estimates, by between 3 million and 4 million in most years, leads to an increase in estimated revenues because a larger share of total compensation will take the form of taxable wages and salaries and a smaller share will be in the form of nontaxable health benefits. In addition, that revision increases the estimated number of employers who will be required to pay penalties. Finally, penalties collected from individuals who do not have health insurance are projected to increase because the number of individuals who will remain uninsured is now estimated to be higher than was estimated in March 2011.[/quote]

You read this quickly and came to this conclusion?

Wow. You and Obama have something in common then. :hand:

So if a reduction in oil imports is due to recession and not anything Obama has done, doesn’t it then follow that Obama hasn’t done anything to cause or worsen the recession?

If the recession were his fault, then the reductions as a result of that would also be due to him.

:slight_smile:

QED.

[quote=“cfimages”]So if a reduction in oil imports is due to recession and not anything Obama has done, doesn’t it then follow that Obama hasn’t done anything to cause or worsen the recession?
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Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

As for making it worse:[quote]
On June 10, 2008 during an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, candidate Obama said, “Well, I think that we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn’t had an energy policy. And as a consequence, we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.”

Harwood followed, “So could these high prices help us?” Obama answered, “I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing.”

Also in 2008, Stephen Chu, who Obama would name as his Energy secretary, said, “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” according to The Wall Street Journal.[/quote]

Obama gave lip service, but Chu went right on thinking that, up until real recently:[quote]
Fast forward to this week, when the president’s Energy Secretary Steven Chu acknowledged Tuesday at a Senate hearing that he indeed told the Wall Street Journal in September 2008 that getting U.S. prices up to higher, European-level gas prices would help move Americans to use more renewables.

But with rising gas prices sinking the president’s approval rating in some new national polls, Chu says he has had a change of heart.

“Are you saying that you no longer share the view that we need to figure out how to boost gasoline prices in America?” Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, asked Chu.

“I no longer share that view,” the energy secretary said.

“But you did then, but you don’t now?” pressed Lee.

Chu noted that he had made the comments before he was in government, just a couple of months before Obama won election and Chu was nominated to his current post.

Read more: foxnews.com/politics/2012/03 … z1p5Tb5Nm6
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What a shocking revelation. Stop the presses!!! A politician has possibly lied…

Here is hoping that this thread derails the Obama campaign and JD can move home to what he so abjectly desires, an America covered with santorum from C2ShiningC.

BHO is a politician. The most successful of our times. Does his shit stink? Yes, completely. Does he lie? Prolly. Who in that biz don’t? He inherited a shitstorm and has been the most productive president in recent history if not ever. But those living in the bibble (sic) would prefer to go back to a clearer time, when everything was in black and white. Hey, full steam ahead. You have a choice, a politician who may lie from time to time to the American people but gets things done, or one who lies to himself, one who will say anything to get the in the OO or one just fighting out of bitterness who wants to put Americans on the moon.

All I can say is…Bon Voyage…

Don’t forget to pack your Tang.

Here ya go. But, you already know this one… :eh:


When President Obama first took office, he promised “an unprecedented level of openness.” Instead, we have seen an unprecedented level of obstruction regarding the Freedom of Information Act.

Jon Stewart lampoons Obama re transparancy


President Obama’s muddy transparency record

[quote]A minute after he took office, the White House website declared his administration would become “the most open and transparent in history.”

Talk is cheap:

• Administration lawyers are aggressively fighting FOIA requests at the agency level and in court — sometimes on Obama’s direct orders. They’ve also wielded anti-transparency arguments even bolder than those asserted by the Bush administration.

• The administration has embarked on an unprecedented wave of prosecutions of whistle-blowers and alleged leakers — an effort many journalists believe is aimed at blocking national security-related stories. “There just seems to be a disconnect here. You want aggressive journalism abroad; you just don’t want it in the United States,” ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper told White House press secretary Jay Carney at a recent briefing for reporters.

• In one of those cases, the Justice Department is trying to force a New York Times reporter to identify his confidential sources and is arguing that he has no legal protection from doing so.

• Compliance with agencies’ open-government plans has been spotty, with confusing and inaccurate metrics sometimes used to assess progress. Some federal agencies are also throwing up new hurdles, such as more fees, in the path of those seeking records.

• The Office of Management and Budget has stalled for more than a year the proposals of the chief FOIA ombudsman’s office to improve government-wide FOIA operations.[/quote]


Obama Transparency Fail: War on Whistleblowers

[quote]The latest bout in the Opacity of Hope: Obama’s War on Whistleblowers. David Carr at the New York Times has the story:

The Espionage Act, enacted back in 1917 to punish those who gave aid to our enemies, was [color=#0000FF]used three times in all the prior administrations[/color] to bring cases against government officials accused of providing classified information to the media. It has been [color=#0000FF]used six times since the current president[/color] took office…[/quote]

[quote]A new CBO report out on the cost of Obamacare shows that the president’s signature legislation that he said would cost around $900 billion over 10 years will actually cost nearly twice that - $1.7 trillion over the period from 2013-2022.

Washington Examiner:

President Obama's national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law.

Democrats employed many accounting tricks when they were pushing through the national health care legislation, the most egregious of which was to delay full implementation of the law until 2014, so it would appear cheaper under the CBO's standard ten-year budget window and, at least on paper, meet Obama's pledge that the legislation would cost "around $900 billion over 10 years." When the final CBO score came out before passage, critics noted that the true 10 year cost would be far higher than advertised once projections accounted for full implementation.

Today, the CBO released new projections from 2013 extending through 2022, and the results are as critics expected: the ten-year cost of the law's core provisions to expand health insurance coverage has now ballooned to $1.76 trillion. That's because we now have estimates for Obamacare's first nine years of full implementation, rather than the mere six when it was signed into law. Only next year will we get a true ten-year cost estimate, if the law isn't overturned by the Supreme Court or repealed by then. Given that in 2022, the last year available, the gross cost of the coverage expansions are $265 billion, we're likely looking at about $2 trillion over the first decade, or more than double what Obama advertised.

The legislation is already opposed by a majority of Americans. But perhaps the GOP could remind voters what Obama said about it at the time during a speech before a joint session of congress:

Now, add it all up, and the plan I'm proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years -- less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans that Congress passed at the beginning of the previous administration.  (Applause.)  Now, most of these costs will be paid for with money already being spent -- but spent badly -- in the existing health care system.  The plan will not add to our deficit.  The middle class will realize greater security, not higher taxes.  And if we are able to slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of 1 percent each year -- one-tenth of 1 percent -- it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term.

[color=#FF0000]Being wrong is not the same as lying. Obama wasn’t wrong. He knew the funny numbers his administration was putting out. He knew the accounting tricks the Democrats were playing. He knew it all. And he looked the American people in the eye and lied to them[/color]
.

This will almost certainly turn out to be one of the most expensive lies ever told.

Read more: americanthinker.com/blog/201 … z1p6BDG63l
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The red font is not gratuitous. It is to aid Tigerman in his reading. :thumbsup:

From Townhall:[quote]
1) “One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and I’ve won. I don’t take a dime of their money, and
[color=#FF0000]when I am president, they won’t find a job in my White House.” – Barack Obama, November 3, 2007[/color]

"President Obama promised during his campaign that lobbyists "won't find a job in my White House."

So far, though, 

[color=#0000FF]at least a dozen former lobbyists have found top jobs in his administration[/color]
, according to an analysis done by Republican sources and corroborated by Politico." – Politico, January 29, 2009[/quote]

[quote]
2) "
If you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes increase by a single dime - not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, nothing," Obama said last week. “Because the last thing we should do in this economy is raise taxes on the middle class
.” – CNN, November 3, 2008

"One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday.

[color=#0000FF]The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama’s promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000.[/color]

This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich." -- Breitbart, April 1, 2009[/quote]
7) By a vote of 244-188 Wednesday, the House of Representatives passed an $819 billion bill aimed at stimulating the economy and tempering a spate of layoffs across the country.

Says President Obama, the bill's lobbyist-in-chief: "

Most of the money we’re investing as part of this plan will get out the door immediately and go directly to job-creation, generating or saving 3 to 4 million new jobs
." – Forbes, January 28, 2009

In Saturday’s address, Obama also responds to critics who believe the $787 billion bill is not sufficient to turn around the economy and who are, therefore, pushing for another stimulus package.

“[A]s I made clear at the time it was passed, the Recovery Act was not designed to work in four months – it was designed to work over two years." -- CNN, July 11, 2009[/quote]

Here ya go. But, you already know this one… :eh: [/quote]
I do, but others might not. And it’s an important issue.

Here ya go. But, you already know this one… :eh: [/quote]
I do, but others might not. And it’s an important issue.[/quote]
Makes you wonder if that wiki leaks army guy is still being tortured, Obamastyle. :thumbsdown:

[quote=“jdsmith”][quote=“cfimages”]So if a reduction in oil imports is due to recession and not anything Obama has done, doesn’t it then follow that Obama hasn’t done anything to cause or worsen the recession?
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Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

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Just wanted to get that in because I guarantee it’ll be a claim made in the run-up to November.

[quote=“cfimages”][quote=“jdsmith”][quote=“cfimages”]So if a reduction in oil imports is due to recession and not anything Obama has done, doesn’t it then follow that Obama hasn’t done anything to cause or worsen the recession?
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Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

Who said Obasan caused the recession? :unamused:

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Just wanted to get that in because I guarantee it’ll be a claim made in the run-up to November.[/quote]
Or just because you want to say something but can’t for the life of figure how to refute the lies; but please keep not commenting on them. It makes me laff.

Obama’s spend-digging will surely LENGTHEN the recession, despite the markets want to break out of it. Investment banks are raising their dividends. That’s a big FU if I ever saw one. When the Republican clusterfuck turns its guns on Obama, they should have a plethora of targets that I hope even Hollywood can’t stop. Captain Inept is ripe; no one wants a FOUR year lame duck President. :thumbsdown: