The Overdue Critical Race Theory/DEI Thread

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I’ve spent years undergoing self-examination in order to eliminate any tendency to view other human beings through the distorting lens of race and now Critical Race Theory is telling me to put race goggles on.

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liberals have defended it as a “lens” for understanding vague buzzwords such as “systemic racism” and “racial equity.”

No liberal I know has defended CRT. Progressives do, but they are not liberals by any definition.

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Apostrophes appear to be an issue with Daily Mail sub-editors.

EDIT: Ooh, they’ve spotted it.

Classical liberalism and the way most people use the word to describe anyone who is not conservative/republican are completely different things. Most people are referring to the latter not the former so we don’t need to rehash this every time someone uses the word liberal.

Secondly, what do you mean by defending Critical Race Theory? Are you referring to the theory out of Critical Legal studies or Rufo’s made up catch-all term to describe diversity programs, equity or teachings or race in schools? One idea there is a plethora of academic literature and the other is just good branding.

3rd graders are not studying torts and contract laws and the legacy of the anti-bellum South through to Jim Crowe. So my guess you are using the catch all term to describe woke things you don’t like.

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You didn’t quote the quote I responded to which makes your “Secondly, what do you mean by defending Critical Race Theory?” comment confusing.

I know what a genuine liberal is.

I’ve debunked this

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You didn’t answer the question.

You implied some people are defending CRT whatever category you would like to put them in. So what exactly are they defending? The existence of systemic racism in our legal structures as a consequence of laws from the anti-bellum south, to Jim Crowe through today? Or are they defending something ‘woke’ going on in a diversity program or schools?

The argument being presented by Rufo and conservative media is very different than what CRT actually is and I know third graders are not studying legal theory. So the clarification of what you think people are defending would be helpful for my own insight.

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Seriously, progressives on this site should read the links on this. Tell me this isn’t some insane shit.

I didn’t imply. I stated.

liberals have defended it as a “lens” for understanding vague buzzwords such as “systemic racism” and “racial equity.”

That’s what I originally replied to. You removed it.

How can CRT lead to anything but self rule by the different races? Democracy puts minorities at the mercy of the majority.

You’re still being evasive. It’s not like I intentionally removed something to make a point. I just quoted you because I wanted to understand what people are defending in your mind. Are you saying systemic racism is vague and difficult to define and therefore indefensible?

I’m just trying to get to the root of what you think progressives are defending. You’ve used that label on me before, and the point I’ve made is teachers should have the freedom to discuss race without fear of reprisal. These new laws do not allow for that. So if not that, then what are progressives defending?

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@Malasang88, you’re still being evasive, he couldn’t be more clear:

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You unintentionally removed the initial quote I responded to? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but it is a bit of a stretch.

I was replying to a comment about liberals supporting CRT. I don’t believe that any true liberal would (definition of liberal allowing).

What do I think progressives are defending? Racism.

Not sure if racist. This is a page I found from Queztal consulting, two of the contributors to that maths are racist shitbag. I think I traced the consulting firm to a Hong Kong based consultancy group.
https://www.unitedwaygreaternashville.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/RTS_VidCon_Session_1.Dismantling_School_to_Prison_Nexus_Webinar.pdf

Yes I knew what you were responding to and didn’t see the need to re-quote a quote. We can address the arguments without assuming someone is trying to do something nefarious to make a point. I see too much of that nonsense in this thread.

You’re still not responding what exactly they are supporting. And by they, I mean liberals used in common parlance, i.e. not conservative. Are they supporting the idea of systemic racism which you feel is too vague? Or are they supporting diversity and equity programs which you feel have gone too far?

I’m giving you the opportunity to clarify since I don’t really understand what you think people are defending when I’ve posted numerous articles of teachers fearing for their jobs, educators school boards under threats of violence. Clearly people are defending the right to even teach about racism in the classroom. The right to explain to children what is ‘black lives matter’ and why do adults care about it, what is the legacy of slavery. The right to do all of this without being threatened or harassed.

I’m not going to assume you have an ulterior motive as you did. I just don’t understand why you can’t acknowledge that is what’s happening when the evidence is there. That is something worthy of defending.

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You know, I think this morning has changed my mind on this.

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It’s a good thing to not judge individuals by race. It’s limiting your understanding of others and their experiences if you ignore that not all others do the same, and a lot of people have to deal with that.

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