The Overdue Critical Race Theory Thread

[TT]

@OysterOmelet

You weren’t a regular at the journal.

For this journal, I am. Anyways, the offer to read your draft stands. Up to you

[eCanada]

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Excellent, it seems you missed this question while you were reading…

@TT

@tando

In different countries, is the white race replaced by any majority race of the countries, or is it always fixed?
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Good question. Any of the pro-CRT crowd on here want to have a go

The theory is based on the US. So, no. You could develop a similar theory.

Still curious about the institutionalized racism question

Edit.Also, this seems like a distraction

[TT]

@eCanada

The theory is based on the US. So, no.

So what you’re saying is, these ideas theories have no validity outside of the US? That’s good, because I’m not from there and don’t live there!

@eCanada

Still curious about the institutionalized racism question

You should make it a poll, if you want to know what people think…

@eCanada

this seems like a distraction

What does, and why?

[McNulty]

@tando

Any of the pro-CRT crowd on here

‘Pro’ or ‘anti’ CRT is a misnomer. CRT is simply an area of study, it’s an academic discipline. They don’t all agree with each other either! One isn’t pro-Biology or anti-Biology, for example.

Think of it in everyday terms as a study of institutional racism, examining how the laws work to perpetuate racist ideas, and if you’re white thinking about how those laws benefit you in some way. A good example of this would be the GI bill again–Blacks in America were systematically denied home loans. Racism in hiring practices, who gets the job, etc. In policing: Profiling. Private Prisons, Crime bill etc. Whites have had better access to education historically. etc.

It’s just a call to change unfair laws. It’s not an attack on white people. I think the perception that it is is where problems in communication start.

[crusher]

@McNulty

@crusher

A .Forensics can know from DNA samples at crime scenes, the races of a perpetrator. Those “races” are indeed a label given by humans for a group of people that originated from an area at a certain period of time. Just like there are different kinds of bears or wolves. Polar bears and Grizzly bears can mate together but have different behaviors and phenotypes shaped by different environmental selection pressures. Why should humans be different ?

Exactly. Common sense also says there is no biological correlation between the amount of melanin in a person’s skin and behavioral tendencies.

Well I might spend more on sun screen with less melanin and be discriminated against in different ways either positive or negative , but yeah that would be an indirect G×E interaction (genetic times environment). What about if the tone of skin color allowed one to get sex more easily? That would increase progeny and then increase the amount of that organisms DNA in the human gene pool. I am not being too serious just kind of demonstrating it is easy to argue any point of view. Personally I would love to have a bit more melanin but not enough to have to worry about vitamin D shortages.

[TT]

@McNulty

@tando

Any of the pro-CRT crowd on here

‘Pro’ or ‘anti’ CRT is a misnomer.

Seriously @tando, how dare you? Oh wait, that was me and you’ve been misquoted!

edit: there is also this

@TT

Critical Theory is such a misnomer, given how acritical the scholarship tends to be of itself.

[tando]

@eCanada

The theory is based on the US. So, no. You could develop a similar theory.

so, it could be critical religion theoly, critical tribe theory, critical language theory, or critical race theory with a different combination of colors or races, or whatever.

@McNulty

According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to

how do they treat socioeconomic classes?

@McNulty

It’s just a call to change unfair laws.

what kind of deformation has been proposed?

I know, I will search, but any kind input will be appreciated.

[McNulty]

@tando

what kind of deformation has been proposed?

It’s been a progression throughout history. Starting with the abolition of slavery, then desegregation of the education system, anti-discrimination labor laws, allowing the shared use of public drinking fountains (!), reversals in unfair housing practices (redlining districts was made illegal), and then once these gains are accomplished obviously Affirmative Action plays a major role in trying to even the playing field. Biden appointing more POC to cabinet positions, trying to remedy underrepresentation in the workforce, integrating into civil service jobs etc. (the timeline here is not exactly right but these are major events). Obviously gaining voting rights was huge.

The controversial notion of reparations enters the discussion at this point.

[tando]

Yes, I know those changes, though I didn’t know they were done by CRT, and asked more about currently proposed legal deformations. It may be the reparations?

[eCanada]

@tando

so, it could be critical religion theoly, critical tribe theory, critical language theory, or critical race theory with a different combination of colors or races, or whatever.

Not “it”. This theory has gained acceptance over time by academics. You can’t just alter it. You could develop your own theory about these things and publish articles about it.

[eCanada]

@TT

What does, and why?

Why do you get to ask all the questions? The thread is called CRT. Do you agree with the posted definition?

[TT]

@eCanada

Why do you get to ask all the questions?

What do you think this is? Also, you shouldn’t accuse others of deflection and then deflect instead of clarifying when asked. They might think you are trolling or discussing in bad faith. I think you’re sincere, but others might not.

@eCanada

The thread is called CRT. Do you agree with the posted definition?

I haven’t questioned it, have I?

@eCanada

This theory has gained acceptance over time by academics.

Well, maybe some academics but the ones who are scientific-minded might see things like

@eCanada

You can’t just alter it

and have a few questions about what kind of theory can’t be altered…

[eCanada]

@TT

@eCanada

this seems like a distraction

What does, and why

When people ask questions like this. Can other races be racist? For example.
It’s a common distraction used to derail conversations
another classic is why isn’t there a white history month

[eCanada]

@TT

@eCanada

You can’t just alter it

and have a few questions about what kind of theory can’t be altered

I meant alerted as in rewritten… Changed completely

@TT

Well, maybe some academics

No, it’s widely accepted

[tempogain]

This is an interesting case

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[TT]

When you say

@eCanada

Can other races be racist?

are you referring to

@tando

In different countries, is the white race replaced by any majority race of the countries, or is it always fixed?

?
Because I think these are two different questions. Maybe @tando can clarify

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Also, since you brought it up

@eCanada

Can other races be racist?

?

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@eCanada

I meant alerted as in rewritten… Changed completely

I don’t think this really changes my point about how scholarship is supposed to work, as opposed to dogma for example

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@eCanada

it’s widely accepted

I’m not saying it isn’t very fashionable these days, only that there are other academics who look at the writing of -let’s just keep my favourite- for example Robin DiAngelo and don’t accept it. Me, for example (though few of my colleagues in education, to be sure). It isn’t widely accepted in the way that natural selection is accepted, but in certain academic circles yes this is the dominant paradigm. That doesn’t make it infallible, or even valuable, IMO.

[eCanada]

@TT

@eCanada

Can other races be racist?

are you referring to

@tando

In different countries, is the white race replaced by any majority race of the countries, or is it always fixed?

?
Because I think these are two different questions

Yes, I was referring to that. They are basically the same question.

@QuaSaShao

Do you believe that white people are inherently racist?

And partly this.

@TT

@eCanada

The thread is called CRT. Do you agree with the posted definition?

I haven’t questioned it, have I?

@TT

That doesn’t make it infallible, or even valuable, IMO.

@TT

It isn’t widely accepted in the way that natural selection is accepted

Few theories are, especially in the social sciences.

@TT

but in certain academic circles yes this is the dominant paradigm

Certain academic circles? In my studies, most classes considered it one of the leading perspectives to study our topics. You don’t have to agree with it, but it seems you’re trying to discount the importance of CRT. Please correct me if I’m misreading your comment

[eCanada]

Hmm. Interesting.

That article opens with this.

“As part of the sociology curriculum, students investigated and discussed the real-world ramifications of prejudice, as well as academic concepts such as white privilege and patriarchy.”

Personally I think courses like this are useful.

Regarding the individual student and the teacher… There are two sides to every story. Idiot teacher ruining the course, taking it to extremes, or teenager who wanted to drop a class and exaggerated. In either case, it seems to be an isolated issue. I still see value in courses like these

[TT]

@eCanada

Please correct me if I’m misreading your comment

You are. I’m afraid you’re misreading a few things since

@TT

@eCanada

The thread is called CRT. Do you agree with the posted definition?

I haven’t questioned it, have I?

means I haven’t questioned your definition, not that I have no questions about CRT.

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@eCanada

Few theories are, especially in the social sciences.

Fair enough. I’m not of the opinion that CRT is an empty chair (that would be ridiculous), but I still think it is not good to say it is widely accepted because it is in fact quite contentious.

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@eCanada

In my studies, most classes considered it one of the leading perspectives to study our topics.

Sure, mine too. At the same time I have worked with STEM professors who don’t know, don’t care, and can’t be bothered.

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@eCanada

You don’t have to agree with it, but it seems you’re trying to discount the importance of CRT

If you really want to know what I think, I suggest you read what I’ve written here and on the peak woke thread over the past 8 days…

edit: for your convenience

@TT

Critical Theory is such a misnomer, given how acritical the scholarship tends to be of itself. Not that I think Tucker Carlson’s perspective is any more valuable…

[MikeN1]

Always wanted to see Posner on the Supreme Court, but figured his ideas would be too independent for either side to consider him a reliable vote, so he wouldn’t get nominated or voted through by either Democrats or Republicans