The Venezuela socialism death spiral thread

#441

I saw on the news violent crimes have gone down. Because money is worthless lol and bullets are too expensive and hard to come by.

#442

Yep, even the criminals are struggling.

You see, they simply cannot find bills. You cannot buy anything because you simply do not have the actual physical bills, and the power is out so cards are also out. Imagine that, no toilet paper, no paper for passports or money.

That is how the government controls people. The common folk have to line up to receive a bag of groceries from the government, which depends on how they behave. If they do not show enough loyalty or piss someone up, then they do not get food. The supermarkets are empty so actual buying is limited.

That is one tier of the Venezuelans. The other tier is the one taht has money…in US banks. They exchange dollars in te black market or us ethem directly to buy stuff… agian, from sources related to the government because that is the only way goods get in. If you got money, and I mean real money, you live well in fortified buildings, You do not lack water or power. But for how long? And when will the starving masses storm the castle?

Now ask how the Chaves/Maburro regime achieved this: they kicked or impounded all factories, all enterprises, and most land inside the country, whether owned by Venezuelans or foreigners…or sent their people to dissuade/eliminate the owners. Others simply had to stop producing, nothing to work with. And anyways, the country could not feed itself due to the export based economic model.

#443

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#444

The intersting thing is that in Cuba the government still runs the tobacco factories, the crops, etc. they work and they produce and generate profits. In Venezuela, the enterprises closed were importers and speculators, which is what fuels the resentment because this people first left the country and gence halted the “production”… which was not there. We are talking speculation of imported foodstuffs, price gauging, etc. So the aburro regime took over empty shells in most cases. However, their fault was in not assigning them to work or anything.

Did you know most of the money from Maburro is at the Vatican bank? Or that US still gets more than half of Venezuela´s oil production? 44% officially is direct imports, but then there is about a quater that is redirected through Russian refineries in India. Fascinating.

Rusian dos not get that much oil from Venezuela diretly, nor China. And what goes to Cuba is negligible.

#445

No one left to blame after this…

The cabinet members wouldn’t have risen this far without some political base, and in a banana republic that means people with guns.

#446

It is oil money plus drug money, so that is a lot of money…held in the Vatican, Swiss banks, etc. Not even offshores in Panama or the Caribbean.

Most of the support is actually from abroad. Inside they have their own comandos who they armed, yes, but those weapons come from developed countries. Again, Venezuela can import all kinds of arms but not toilet paper. In terms of international support, the list is long and spans factions in the US -and I do not mean those idjits on Twitter, but the oil barons-, plus Turkey, Russia, China, India, etc.

No need for Cabinet as Cuba has been running the game since Chavez times.

#447

A few days ago, the Maburro regime took the second in command of Guaido`s government. A bold move, certainly they would not have dared to do it without certainty of backup. Of strenght.

Well, here are some vitamins:

#448

Now this . Seems that ordinary people have no choice , but to wait in terrible conditions , to see how this all pans out .

#449

Always this case, where the democratic process is about to turn out the socialists in power, is where socialism fails. If the people want something different, then they’ll have to fight to earn back their democratic government. The socialists are prepared to kill the democratic process, and citizens if necessary, to keep their hold on power.

Socialists in the US insist that socialism isn’t to blame for Venezuela’s current condition, mismanagement is. Socialists everywhere deny that “real” socialism has ever been implemented. They always insist on just one more chance, just one more and we’ll get it right, let’s try socialism just one more time, socialism is so beautiful let’s give another chance.

Socialism is to the human condition as heroin is to the human body. A beautiful illusion that in the end kills you deader’n dead.

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#450

I think that now most apologists prefer to say:“it was real socialism and it was great, BUT the Cia intervened and ruined everything”.

I wonder if Venezuela will eventually restart with socialists 2.0 (the current “opposition”) or if a Pinochet-like figure will rise.

#451

There’s always that, too. The CIA stuck their big fat thumb in and spoiled our socialism.

So let’s try it just one more time, ok? It’s too beautiful to give up on, next time we’ll do it right. Vote for socialism!

And on and on.

#452

Guys, don´t you find it a little weird that the US has not jumped like a flea on steroids with the Russians on the ground? I mean, there is a friggin sub with 200 soldiers on board! If that had happened during the Central American wars… I think nukes would fly.

Seems to me Trump and Putin are too close friends and all Trump can say is man, you are making me look bad.

#453

Well, I’ve contacted my Rep and both Senators. Two hundred Russian soldiers is definitely worth sending a nuke or three over for.

Let the Venezuelans blame the nukes this time. Socialism would have worked if the US had not stuck its big bad nuke thumb in the pie. We were almost there, and the Americans stepped in. Honestly, socialism is just too beautiful to give up on. Next time the US won’t interfere when the Russians come over. Honestly, it’ll be beautiful next time! Just one more chance to do it right! Vote for socialism!!

#454

No , I find it a refreshing change that the USA is not jumping in . You have complained about the influence of the US for decades …now you complain at the lack of it ? What would you like ?

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#455

The US won´t interfere and there won´t be any nukes. Trump brought the gig up while meeting with Guado´s wife beacause it would have been kind of embarrassing. But I am realy surprised that invoke the American for Americans -including backyard Latin America- kind of take it so cool.

This is teh kind of sh** that gives fuel to the conspiracy theorists/fake marxists and pseudo intellectual ilk. Current rant du jour is not it would have worked, they do not care about that, but rather they say US is setting up a new Syria battelfield to sell arms in Venezuela war.

Yep, because the Russians, the Turkish and the Chinese come for the arepas.

Funniest bit: thinsg are so bad even the Cuban soldiers are deserting. Probably they are bringing in the Russians to control the Cubans that are there to hold back the Venezuelan army from running away.

#456

Then what’s that all about? :thinking:

#457

I am just amazed that this situation has gone on for so long . I guess the people just have to keep their heads down and hope that something happens . Or revolt en mass… but so much bloodshed

#458

It will be very bloody indeed. Maybe the Vatican can still find a way to shame Madurro, but that’s probably the only real hope Venezuelans have.

#459

There are treaties for this kind of stuff. The plane did not land without being spotted since the Russian pilot had his tea for breakfast.

I do not think you recall the Central Ameircan wars but US brouigtht in a lot of weapons and covert operators but never a boatload. It was an understanding that any troops in what US considered its territory would end badly.

I would have expected Cheeto in chief fro blowing off the handle on Twitter or tv, like he usually does, not an F16 firing warning shots at the Russian plane.

Regarding intervention, what has been discussed is the South American coalition of governments, with US technical backup. As much as the US troops are itching to go, they may not be welcomed, that you are right. That is why the strategy is getting teh Venezuelan army to stand down and to get nearby countries provide forces to control the wild armed groups Maburro uses to keep the population under his feet.

BTW, scuttlebutt is Maburro is already in Cuba. Several of his high officials have flown already… nice pics in Europe on Twitter. The rest of the gang of narcos -as per DEA- is nicely struck, as deals were offered for Maburro et al but not for them on DEA´s black list of top capos.

#460

And this is nearly 18 months old now. Situation in Venezuela has become much worse.

But it will be better next time, really. Just one more chance! Vote for socialism!