Probably line bred which is also inbreeding but a bit less tight.
Stray dogs are often inbred as well although not always deliberately. I’m sure daddy dog often has it off with daughter dog in the packs in which they live. Marb is also correct that poodles are extremely smart dogs and are usually line bred. However the poodles that were tested are standard size poodles and not the smaller ones, although I have heard those little ones are very smart too but that is subjective.
I am not aware of any proof or even correlation in stupidity for pedigree dogs as a whole compared to strays perhaps elaborate a bit on some comparative studies? German Shepherds and Sheepdogs are very intelligent indeed! Although German Shepherds do have their hip problems. Standard size poodles from a good breeder would be a very good choice of dogs and the little brown dogs they have here are a superb choice for city dwelling dogs. A much better choice than a Labrador or Great Dane for a small apartment dweller.
Not all stay dogs would be suitable for apartments but anyway Marb would likely have some small cute dogs available for those that wish to raise little cute ones small enough to be carried on the MRT as some people cannot drive.
In fact in this article it says that many of the pedigree dog breeds (working ones) are often more intelligent than the strays so have more requirements. Exactly the opposite to what you were saying about IDIOTS tom Thorne
I believe dogs -or any pet- are as smart as their owners’ investment of time and care and love in put into them. I have been accused of anthropomorphism, but the truth is the smarter dogs are the ones who have a real bond with their owners.
Strays have to become “street smart” out of sheer survival, and some pure breeds have stupid owners who treat them like furniture, so, in both cases, you would have an even better dog if they had a real caring owner.
Hence I agree partially with Tom, in terms of stupid owner = not so clever doggie. But I also understand Fen’s point, in regards to well-cared pediogree pets, who happen to be very smart and well trained.
Furthermore, in the case of England, you have reliable breeders, in a regulated industry. Don’t get me started here. Inbreeding causes sickness and sickness hampers the “bred” dogs development, including his intelligence -not to mention lack of stimuli from being locked in a cage or aprtment with no walks most of their lives. So it is mostly a question on how you raise them. That is why, in comparison, strays seem so smart.
[quote=“Icon”]I believe dogs -or any pet- are as smart as their owners’ investment of time and care and love in put into them. I have been accused of anthropomorphism, but the truth is the smarter dogs are the ones who have a real bond with their owners.
Strays have to become “street smart” out of sheer survival, [/quote]
Yah sometimes this is because the ones that don’t survive are taken out the gene pool.
There are also some very tight bred lines of hill tribe dogs in Taiwan that are very smart and could compete with collies. Some breeders in Taiwan are pretty damn good at it but most I agree are in it just for the money. Anyway some pedigree dogs such as Collies are very smart, and personally I prefer pedigree dogs to mongrel dogs as i prefer a dog more bred to type. But then again I used to work my dogs and I would not work mongrels or bother to spend the time working them out of choice. They simply would not be specilised enough to do the job. Lurchers are mongrels but they are a special kind of mongrel that results from a cross between inbred dogs of fixed type to get the best traits from both lines while also getting hybrid vigour. There are also good cross hog hunting dogs in Australia but yet again these are targeted crosses not random matings.
I am sure there are exceptions but I am talking about the general trend not extreme cases
I don’t keep mongrels I prefer line bred, but that is my choice. I do however re-home pedigree dogs and from time to time willing to take good terriers that can work.
True. We currently have a handsome Chihuahua and an intact (the ears and tail haven’t been cut up) miniature Doberman up for adoption. Someone set the Doberman on fire so he has a noticeable burn scar on its hind end, but he’s still very handsome. These little guys go fast, though, because as you mentioned, they are better suited for apartments.
You’ve probably guessed that I don’t actually know anything about dogs, but those little brown ones definitely look a bit stupid to me. I didn’t know they make good guard dogs - I’ll keep a wide berth next time I see one sticking its head out of a handbag.
[quote=“tomthorne”] I didn’t know they make good guard dogs - I’ll keep a wide berth next time I see one sticking its head out of a handbag.[/quote] :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I think when people envision poodles, they usually envision the miniature or toy varieties. Standard poodles are quite large and can pack a mean bite, at their height, probably to the nards or buttocks. Or at the very least, the knees.
True. We currently have a handsome Chihuahua and an intact (the ears and tail haven’t been cut up) miniature Doberman up for adoption. Someone set the Doberman on fire so he has a noticeable burn scar on its hind end, but he’s still very handsome. These little guys go fast, though, because as you mentioned, they are better suited for apartments.
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god dam people. Sick scumbags setting dogs on fire. I hope they will suffer one day as that dog did.