Tricky Situation For A First Timer

Legal Visa & Residency
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Hello there folks, I’m planning on moving to Taiwan with my Taiwanese Wife and 3yo. American Born Child. But as easy as it sounds, is not.
I’ll explain it in points I suppose it’ll help.
1.- We are in US.
2.- I’m Mexican, umm… illegally in US.
3.- The wife overstayed in her student visa (visa haven’t expired but she haven’t been at school for 3 years).

So, we are planning on moving to Taiwan, you know, to look for a better stability and peaceful life.
I have been thinking over the options for us, and apparently the best and obvious thing to do is get a visa, visitor visa in this case.

But there’s a few details I have been trying to figure out to make this transition easier.
Here are my options I think:
1.- Apply for a Taiwan visa here in Texas (It could imply to show legal papers of presence in US).
2.- Apply for a Taiwan visa in Mexico in person (More travel expenses, expose to dangers down there, not been able to transit US will double air tickets prices).
3.- Apply for a Taiwan visa in Mexico by mail (Possibility of losing documents, an denial for been perhaps out of jurisdiction?).
4.- Apply for a Taiwan visa in an Asian Country, visa free for Mexicans like Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea. (Need to buy extra return or onward tickets).

Well that all that come in mind right now.
I was thinking on perhaps buy non-stop tickets to Seoul Korea-Taiwan to travel next month one-way, stay for 7-10 days in Korea and then go to Taiwan. I would also get a ticket to Hong Kong as my “onward ticket” outta Taiwan (perhaps fully refundable or just go make some shopping).
Start with going to Houston Texas to apply for the visa with the tickets on hand, get all the required paperwork (the Houston site doesn’t specify legal presence required, but the San Francisco one does). If rejected or denied, try to get the visa by mail in Mexico with prepaid return, and if it doesn’t work just travel to Korea and try to get the Taiwan visa there, but I wonder if they would accept my ticket to Taiwan as my “Onward ticket” outta Korea since I would fly there without a Taiwan visa yet.
And also would the denial of a visa be a problem to try getting a visa somewhere else? I was thinking that perhaps I should just forget about it and fly straight to Korea and try to make everything there or Hong Kong perhaps (the wife apparently needs a visa to be with me there).
One of the original ideas was ship the family to Taiwan and me going Hong Kong by my self to get my visa.
Oh my decisions decisions. What do you think?

P.S. I will post this exactly same topic in taiwanease trying to get more opinions.

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Explain following …

How would you actually leave the US? Get on a plane, without being arrested?

BTW, how did you get married in the US if you don’t have the papers?

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If you’re married, you can get the visa anywhere. Just be sure to have all the necessary paperwork (I think you need a police check from your country of citizenship). Your problem is not how to get the visa for Taiwan, but how to get out of the US.

Would they really arrest people they want out? It wouldn’t make much sense to keep them in if they’re leaving voluntarily. Also, there are no border officials to pass through on departure from an airport in the US, airlines handle everything. So maybe he can just slip through unnoticed? :slight_smile:

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FAIK, they do NOT detain people leaving the USA who have overstayed their visa, like many countries. You just will have trouble getting another visa back in with a record of an overstay. But you can leave, unlike Taiwan.

He should find out how long Mexican citizens can visit. And especially if they can come in to Taiwan visa free. If so? Best way is to come in visa free and then apply for ARC based on marriage.

There will be plenty of paperwork to sort out but it can be done.

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Make sure you have your marriage certs, go to the TECO offices and ask them what they need, Taiwan visa should not be a problem as long as you do not have s criminal record in Mexico.

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[quote=“Belgian Pie”]Explain following …

How would you actually leave the US? Get on a plane, without being arrested?

BTW, how did you get married in the US if you don’t have the papers?[/quote]

Well, people don’t get arrested trying to leave the country, but you are meant to carry a valid passport and have the necessary paperwork to show you can actually land in the place where you are heading, but that’s all airline employees, no cops or law agents involved.

And you can get married with even a Costco card as long as you have your original Birth Certificate (from your home country), the county where we planned get married ask us to have them translated and notarized so we just went to the next county since it wasn’t a requirement. I had my passport as ID and a consulate ID. Don’t mean to encourage anybody but US is pretty laid back on immigrants. You can even fly domestic without a US government ID.

In my case I’m calling it a self deportation.

[quote=“Doraemonster”]If you’re married, you can get the visa anywhere. Just be sure to have all the necessary paperwork (I think you need a police check from your country of citizenship). Your problem is not how to get the visa for Taiwan, but how to get out of the US.
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Thanks, well I think that immigration “services” work mostly one way, I had this friend trying to board a plane back to Mexico without a passport and they denied to him so he went straight to the bus station and left the country. He was never detained or questioned at the airport. I think that if I’m leaving for another country than my own, I just need to show I have the necessary travel documents including “return” or onward tickets. But that is mostly the airlines job, not US government. If you don’t have a transit visa coming from another country, you are just not allowed to board in that country, you are not questioned when you get here or if you are already here, unless you look too suspicious.

[quote=“tommy525”]FAIK, they do NOT detain people leaving the USA who have overstayed their visa, like many countries. You just will have trouble getting another visa back in with a record of an overstay. But you can leave, unlike Taiwan.

He should find out how long Mexican citizens can visit. And especially if they can come in to Taiwan visa free. If so? Best way is to come in visa free and then apply for ARC based on marriage.

There will be plenty of paperwork to sort out but it can be done.[/quote]

Yeah, the plan is not coming back to US. Unfortunately for Mexicans we still need to get a Visitor visa to go Taiwan (but not for Japan, S. Korea, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore or The Phillipines) that’s why another option is to get my visa on HK or S. Korea.

Thanks, I will try to get the most stuff I can to the TECO office, I don’t have a criminal record in Mexico, in fact I can get a simple paper stating that online, perhaps get it translated and notarized just to show. But the get a real Certificate I need to apply in person for it down in Mexico, but I’m trying to avoid a trip down there for right now, we just had controversial elections and the fact that I can’t transit US after I left, it doubles the tickets price.

Somebody told me in the other forum to go ahead and take my wife and kid to the TECO office since apparently that would be points in my side, in the other hand, should I get my 3yo. kid a Taiwan Passport? The wife says is unnecessary but I’m in doubt.

And what other documents should I get Authenticated? (Birth Certificates, Marriages, Kid’s Immunization record, etc.)

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Don’t rely on the board for the correct answers as this is a grey area. The local TECO office will tell you exactly what you need to do with documents. Follow their instructions to the letter.
When i got my documents done in South Africa, the Cape Town office told me one thing, the Pretoria office another, the NIA told my wife another story, and the foreigner hotline here, something totally different. Even grey areas are grey areas here. :2cents:

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[quote=“bigduke6”]Don’t rely on the board for the correct answers as this is a grey area. The local TECO office will tell you exactly what you need to do with documents. Follow their instructions to the letter.
When i got my documents done in South Africa, the Cape Town office told me one thing, the Pretoria office another, the NIA told my wife another story, and the foreigner hotline here, something totally different. Even grey areas are grey areas here. :2cents:[/quote]

Thank you bigduke, we made a couple of calls without compromising our information and we end up going to Houston TECO Office last week I was very nervous and I guess it showed, nevertheless after a few obstacles and an “special” authorization I got my Visitor Visa for 30 days-No extension: Yeah!

The plan now is leaving the US this next July 31st and arrive to Taiwan August 1st, the I’ll try to get my health certificate right away to have my paperwork done before the 30 past so I can get a Resident Visa. Or what’s next?

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I was in Mexico a couple months ago (stayed in Torreon but did a lot of driving around the county side). The people I met were wonderful and the food goes without saying, but I don’t blame you for not wanting to go back right now – really dangerous. I sincerely hope the situation improves soon: I could easily see myself spending a couple years in Mexico.

The visa situation sounds tricky. The online background check may work, though it doesn’t for US citizens (I had to get it through the FBI.). Perhaps you can get someone in Mexico to get it for you. (I sent all the documents to the FBI and had the result sent to my mother, who then sent it to me.)

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[quote=“archylgp”]I was in Mexico a couple months ago (stayed in Torreon but did a lot of driving around the county side). The people I met were wonderful and the food goes without saying, but I don’t blame you for not wanting to go back right now – really dangerous. I sincerely hope the situation improves soon: I could easily see myself spending a couple years in Mexico.

The visa situation sounds tricky. The online background check may work, though it doesn’t for US citizens (I had to get it through the FBI.). Perhaps you can get someone in Mexico to get it for you. (I sent all the documents to the FBI and had the result sent to my mother, who then sent it to me.)[/quote]

Yeah, I wish i could go visit my friends down there.

We moved out fly to August 7th, hopefully we’ll landing on Taipei the 9th. And the I’m gonna work on getting a resident visa right away. I will try to apply for a JFRV with the online background check, I will get it right before we leave so I can get a notary to translate to English it since it will be in Spanish, and then see if I can make it work in Taiwan. If that doesn’t work get an actual Certificate might take longer so I will step down and apply for an ARC, is that correct?

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I just read this, did this get resolved? i could give some insight through PM

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Well I never got back on this, I think I started another tread when I came to Taiwan but right now I’m back in the beginning.

So I was naive enough to think that I would be able to get my stuff done in my first 30 days. Then I went to HK for the classic visa run and I’m now on my last extension, the main thing stopping me from getting anywhere now is the Police Check, since I wasn’t able to get somebody to do that for me back in Mexico, and been unable to travel there for costs (around $4000 usd for trip without stops in US) Last time I went to NIA they told me that perhaps the best thing to get around the Police Check is going to HK and apply for a Resident Visa and when I get back I would be able to get an ARC right away but I think it doesn’t mean I would get any work rights.

In the other hand I found a person to help me get my Police Records from Mexico but it would cost me some money and I’m almost out of it. I made a lot of research about every step necessary and is a long run sigh…

The process take lot of time and I need to go to HK in March so I’m thinking on what am I gonna do now since that stuff is time sensitive and I’m very short on funds, I’m an artist and I’m making some money by drawing stuff for people but mostly people in other countries and mostly only digital files involved. We are staying with the family here but my wife is really very ready to move out. But yeah if you have any suggestions, they are welcome.

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Yeah… TW to Mex could be a pretty expensive trip… and even more depending what city you touching base on.
Well “police records” is a pretty much vague term, you could just see if someone can get you a letter from the procuraduria, you know, one of those, “no antecedentes penales” stuff. I do not know if someone can do that for you though, if that’s possible I wouldn’t mind getting that for you, and mail it over. Last time I got one of those it took a day, and it’s just a damned letter (can’t recall how much it costed though… )
Have you tried going to an embassy in TW and tell them about your situation? I’m pretty sure they can process records and stuff.

I know how hard can it be for designers/artists out there in the world. been there haha

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[quote=“Pein_11”]Yeah… TW to Mex could be a pretty expensive trip… and even more depending what city you touching base on.
Well “police records” is a pretty much vague term, you could just see if someone can get you a letter from the procuraduria, you know, one of those, “no antecedentes penales” stuff. I do not know if someone can do that for you though, if that’s possible I wouldn’t mind getting that for you, and mail it over. Last time I got one of those it took a day, and it’s just a damned letter (can’t recall how much it costed though… )
Have you tried going to an embassy in TW and tell them about your situation? I’m pretty sure they can process records and stuff.

I know how hard can it be for designers/artists out there in the world. been there haha[/quote]

Oh hey thanks! Are you in Mexico right now? Well I went to the Oficina de Enlace (quasi-embassy) in Taipei and they are able to issue a letter for the PGR asking for the antecedentes, they make a certified copy of the passport and take your finger prints, but last time I had no idea what to do with it and it was directed to the PGR in Mexico DF, and after looking at their website I realize it was going to be really hard to get it from them since thay ask for a ton of stuff I cannot get right now (Cartilla, Birth Certificate issued in the last 3 months and other stuff), but my last address was on Estado de Mexico and I checked their PGR website and they don’t ask for all those things so I went and ask them how to get the antecedentes and they send me all the steps, then I sent that to the embassy and they gave me the other steps here, I’ll list it above, is still kind of a mess and I still have some questions there.

Documents Needed:
In Taiwan
1.- Power of Attorney (ID of the recipient needed, translated to Spanish, and certified by MOFA and Mexican Embassy)
2.- Letter from Embassy Requesting Police Records (Including Certified Copy of passport and 3 sets of finger prints all issued at the embassy).
3.- 2 Photographs and simple copies of all the stuff.
In Mexico
4.- Go to Estado de Mexico Servicios Periciales (Toluca only for Immigration processes) present all the stuff above.
5.- Go to Estado de Mexico Secretaría de Gobernación for Legalization.
6.- Go to Relaciones Exteriores for legalization.
7.- Go to Taiwan TECO office in Mexico City for Translation and Legalization.

And so far I just got a copy of the ID from the person in Mexico like 2 weeks ago but I spend last week at the hospital with my 3yo so now that I’m out, I’m pondering if I should start this or wait and/or make a visa run. Since I will need to get my Police Record by the first week of February is I want it to avoid the trip to HK but I don’t see that happening.

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It sounds like they dunno what the hell they’re doing…
I bet the power of attorney is pretty much like “carta poder” send that over with the person who is getting the documents in here (Mexico; and yes I am here in la vieja patria :smiley:) they take it to PGR and ask for it (my best guess). When I was outside the country a friend of mine did all my license and car paperwork that way… if you can make a visa run, i would suggest that, but you would still need that “antecedentes” letter if you plan to stay there… Thing is, i would believe the Taiwanese immigration would like it translated … or something… or maybe that Oficina de Enlace could do something with it… it is indeed a tricky situation =/ hahaha

Im at north actually, border with US, Mexicali if that helps

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Thanks a lot, I’ll give it a thought, wife and me decide to wait until after I make the next visa run. Thanks!