Ukraine Invaded by the Russians - April to August 2022

[afterspivak]

@bingobango

Taiwan, formerly the island of Formosa, was the last stronghold of Mao Zedong’s triumphant Communist army

wut

Guy

[fumarole]

@QuaSaShao

I can understand those who tacitly support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine if they supported Bush’s invasion of Iraq. They’re just being consistent.

The motivation of those who supported the invasion of Iraq but oppose the invasion of Ukraine is a bit murkier though.

What about those who opposed both the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Ukraine?

FYI Mainly Democrats according to the votes in the House and the Senate in relation to both actions. And mainly by those on the left based on the protests in the US against the Iraq war.

[bingobango]

@fumarole

@QuaSaShao

I can understand those who tacitly support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine if they supported Bush’s invasion of Iraq. They’re just being consistent.

The motivation of those who supported the invasion of Iraq but oppose the invasion of Ukraine is a bit murkier though.

What about those who opposed both the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Ukraine?

FYI Mainly Democrats according to the votes in the House and the Senate in relation to both actions. And mainly by those on the left based on the protests in the US against the Iraq war.

Yes. I really am getting tired of seeing the persistent false conflation of “being against a warrantless invasion” and “warmongering”.

For the hundredth time, we cannot forget who the aggressor is here. The line that

aiding an innocent victim is somehow being “pro-war”

is an attempt to defuse or at least mitigate any international coalescence of resistance against Putin’s greed.

[hansioux]

Also, it’s not like the world hasn’t given appeasement a chance. We sat idly by when Putin flattened Chechnya. We sat idly by when Putin invaded Georgia. We sat idly by when Putin annex Crimea and started an eight year war in Donbas. Trump also pulled out of Syria and let Putin flatten rebel held cities. Did appeasement stop war from coming closer to us?

[Lost.in.space]

Did you do your own research on this topic? Finland can import energy from other countries or bring forward their wind power project from 2023 to this year. A big non starter and will hurt Russia more than Finland.

[BiggusDickus]

@cake

Why does the gate point outwards when the soldiers arrive and leave, then it is pointing inwards when the two turn back?
There is more footage which shows when the shooting occurs, the yellow car is not present in the background as shown in this still from the footage.
https://telegra.ph/file/38cdf960c873c56b05467.png

Anyway, there should be independent investigators not compromised or connected with anything NATO, Russia, China or Ukraine looking into any crimes committed by Russian, Ethnic Russian Militias, Ukrainian and Ukrainian Nazi soldiers or even foreign mercenaries. Not many investigators around, probably.

Would you support any investigators if their findings didn’t support your beliefs?

[QuaSaShao]

@fumarole

@QuaSaShao

I can understand those who tacitly support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine if they supported Bush’s invasion of Iraq. They’re just being consistent.

The motivation of those who supported the invasion of Iraq but oppose the invasion of Ukraine is a bit murkier though.

What about those who opposed both the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Ukraine?

FYI Mainly Democrats according to the votes in the House and the Senate in relation to both actions. And mainly by those on the left based on the protests in the US against the Iraq war.

I’m not confused about the motivation of those who opposed both the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Ukraine because that describes me. Aside from the fact that invading another country is a blatant violation of international law it’s just plain evil.

[QuaSaShao]

You’re seeing things that aren’t there.

[Charlie_Jack]

I’m just now getting around to thinking about the category this thread is in.

I feel like Peter Cook’s coal miner (from around 1:17 to around 1:44):

I would like to have been a judge

I just hope we don’t rediscover something that’s more important than the war.

[Mick]

@Lost.in.space

Did you do your own research on this topic? Finland can import energy from other countries or bring forward their wind power project from 2023 to this year. A big non starter and will hurt Russia more than Finland.

You are replying to me, although as I stated the article was posted by @KHHville basically I temped an exchange that was not adding to the discussion but saved that link as it seemed relevant. I would have saved the original post by @KHHville except it had additional content that included the back and forth bickering.

I haven’t read the link myself. I thought the Express was an ok source, others have pointed out they reported on

Taiwan, formerly the island of Formosa, was the last stronghold of Mao Zedong’s triumphant Communist army

That’s some seriously bad reporting.

[Charlie_Jack]

@Mick

Taiwan, formerly the island of Formosa, was the last stronghold of Mao Zedong’s triumphant Communist army

That’s some seriously bad reporting.

Hopefully they meant “the last stronghold of resistance to Mao Zedong’s” etc.

[afterspivak]

In other words, they reversed the meaning.

It’s not great journalism, is it.

Guy

[Charlie_Jack]

@afterspivak

In other words, they reversed the meaning.

It’s not great journalism, is it.

Guy

Kind of reminds me of this (from around 3:17 to around 3:52):

The Wackiest Ship in the Army 1960

[Mick]

I’m done playing nice, is this true?

Donald Trump Jr.

Rand Paul

@MikeN1 did you call Rand Paul a Russian apologist because he asked for some oversight where 40 billion dollars was going to be spent?

[jdsmith]

They should just publish all receipts online, in real time, using blockchain.

[crusher]

@tempogain

@KHHville

I’m not liking what kind of response Russia will do if/when Finland becomes a full-member NATO.

They’ll bitch and moan like the pathetic excuse for a nation they are, and threaten everyone with nuclear weapons again. Yawn.

If they could sign a pact with the Nazis again, maybe they would try to invade Finland again. The only Nazis are in Moscow and their own propaganda now, though.

I thought Finland was on Germany’s side in WW2?
I checked they were allied and fought with the Nazis until 1944 then changed sides

[crusher]

@Mick

I’m done playing nice, is this true?

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1525145673720635392

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1525173329321250818

@MikeN1 did you call Rand Paul a Russian apologist because he asked for some oversight where 40 billion dollars was going to be spent?

It could buy a lot of coke for Hunter Biden’s nose.

[cake]

@Brendon

On a side note, pretty much the only other person even objecting to all this is Ilhan Omar.

I would not be so sure about that.
Maybe Davos gopher Pelosi had a word in her ear last month.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1520504304331034624?cxt=HHwWgMDUsfum9ZkqAAAA

[crusher]

@cake

@Brendon

On a side note, pretty much the only other person even objecting to all this is Ilhan Omar.

I would not be so sure about that.
Maybe Davos gopher Pelosi had a word in her ear last month.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1520504304331034624?cxt=HHwWgMDUsfum9ZkqAAAA

John “war monger” Mc Cain is having an orgasm in the grave about these shipments.
I would be pretty sure Sarah Palin is all for flooding in arms to fight those darned Ruskies.

[Brendon]

Yeah, I know she voted for it this time. I don’t know what the dynamic was there but I’d be interested to find out.