Engish Bull Terrier dumped in the mountains of Tu Chen by some irresponsible cold hearted individual. Some locals who walk there regularly say it had only been there for a couple of days.
He is now being kept at the vets in Yung Ho and has a slight case of mange but not too serious (I am paying the vet for mange treatment). Otherwise in good health. Around five years of age. Excellent temprement, very stable, confident and gentle about five years of age. The vets fees are very expensive please help adopt this dog as soon as possible. I am not rich and cannot pay indefinitely.
Obviously I cannot foster this dog as if I could I would not be paying the vet boarding fees. He is a really wonderful dog.
Pm me if you are interested and I will give you my phone number and let you see the dog. We would expect you to microchip the dog as we have not done so already and perhaps let us come and see the dog a couple of times during the first few months or send us some pics etc. Neutering would be prefered too.
Yes I am posting elsehwere on the Internet. There are no animal shelter organizations that have space to take him in at present. All of them told me they are overflowing at present. How about fostering at least. 
Awesome furiner owner found. He will now have a happy life. The dog’s depression has already lifted slightly and the skin is clearing up (slowly). 
Word of advice don’t expect animal welfare organizations to shelter a dog that you decide to take to the vet’s and house temporarily. They wont as I begged all of them (self editing well all of those that I could find) to take this dog in, I also asked for help with transport and temporary shelter for a few nights (none of the organizations helped).
The rescue organizations I spoke to were more interested (bordering on obsession) about getting the dog neutered than taking it in for a temporary period, rehoming it, or even helping at all with transport. However please do help dumped dogs especially pure breds (they are less able to fend for themselves in the mountains than indigenous scatter bred dogs) just keep in mind that if it is a pure bred and not badly injured you are more or less on your own as regards to re-homing, transport, vet costs and everything else. If you come across one and need help I suggest writing its details on facebook and share share share.
If you cannot re-home then while waiting to find an owner you can feed it and place its details on FB.
Anyways re-homed
Why don’t you name the organisations you spoke with so as not to tar all orgs with the same brush. Someone called me about this dog, but no one asked about transport or help with a few night’s boarding.
There are many reasons why we can’t bring in every stray dog people find, but one of them is because the dog is more likely to get rehomed faster if individuals take it upon themselves to help the dog—which is exactly what happened in this case.
Great job! :bravo:
Good work man. :bravo:
[quote=“Ex Animo”]Why don’t you name the organisations you spoke with so as not to tar all orgs with the same brush. Someone called me about this dog, but no one asked about transport or help with a few night’s boarding.
There are many reasons why we can’t bring in every stray dog people find, but one of them is because the dog is more likely to get rehomed faster if individuals take it upon themselves to help the dog—which is exactly what happened in this case.[/quote]
Is he really tarring any or all organizations? Its not like animal rescuers don’t want to help. You know that.
The reason that many organizations cannot take in all animals should be obvious, and if it wasn’t, you just indicated that it indeed isn’t possible, and in some cases it isn’t the best way of finding a new home for the animal.
Having had a pet recently walk off and not return, I have to ask…
How do you know this dog was dumped?
I’m actually worried that someone took my dog in and either plans to keep it or is trying to find it a new home. If left alone, my dog would have gone for a short walk and returned happy and healthy.
[quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“Ex Animo”]Why don’t you name the organisations you spoke with so as not to tar all orgs with the same brush. Someone called me about this dog, but no one asked about transport or help with a few night’s boarding.
There are many reasons why we can’t bring in every stray dog people find, but one of them is because the dog is more likely to get rehomed faster if individuals take it upon themselves to help the dog—which is exactly what happened in this case.[/quote]
Is he really tarring any or all organizations?[/quote]
Yes, I think so, which is why I said that.
I thought he did a great job taking the dog in and finding him a foster home. Not sure where all the criticism is coming from. For whatever reason, some people just aren’t in a position to act as impromptu foster homes for abandoned animals, and the OP was just expressing his frustration with the fact that there’s inadequate support out there. That’s nobody’s fault - it’s quite incredible that the little underfunded volunteer groups manage as well as they do, and a disgrace that the gov’t still can’t be arsed - but it must be quite disconcerting to find you’ve bitten off more than you can chew.
I disagree that an individual is necessarily more able to find a foster home than an organisation. He certainly might put a bit more effort into getting one particular animal housed, but in the grand scheme of things a properly-run organisation, with a known location, established PR, a management team, and safe temporary shelter must surely be in a better position to move a larger number out the door and into a proper home. Anyone who doesn’t have the experience, time or backup just has to rely on pure luck.
Maybe the volunteer organisations could ask for a “suggested donation” on dropoff to cover the costs of “marketing” incoming rescued cats/dogs? I’m sure most people would be willing and able to pay a couple of thousand.
ichbinjenny: sorry to hear about your pet, but if your pet has been “petnapped”, I guess that’s better than the hypothetical alternative. If your pet was a cat, it’s quite possible it’s “adopted” some other human - they sometimes do that - but I don’t think outright theft is very common. We have our cats RFID’d (I assume the OP’s vet checked the dog for a RFID chip), and when we had cats that wandered outside we put phone-number tags on their collars too.
[quote=“Ex Animo”]Why don’t you name the organisations you spoke with so as not to tar all orgs with the same brush. Someone called me about this dog, but no one asked about transport or help with a few night’s boarding.
There are many reasons why we can’t bring in every stray dog people find, but one of them is because the dog is more likely to get rehomed faster if individuals take it upon themselves to help the dog—which is exactly what happened in this case.[/quote]
How can he be tarring anyone, when you’ve already explained that there are many reasons that organizations cannot take in every stray or abandoned animal, and when you’ve clarified that letting individuals care for and deal with the re-homing animals is often more efficient?
I’m sorry, but, I don’t see the need to name any organizations in this case. 
What possible good could result form such an outing/naming, in light of your explanations given above?
Yes.
As you can imagine, these organizations depend very much on volunteers and donations. Resources are limited. Very limited. There is a great deal of fatigue on the part of volunteers and doners. Organizations cannot accept all animals, as limited space is one of several factors. For that reason, some organizations do not disclose the location of their shelters. If they did, every person who decided to dump his/her animal would be showing up and expecting a home and care for the animal he/she should have committed him/herself to. Yes, sometimes we need pure luck.
Space restrictions is another important issue.
[quote=“ichbinjenny”]Having had a pet recently walk off and not return, I have to ask…
How do you know this dog was dumped?
I’m actually worried that someone took my dog in and either plans to keep it or is trying to find it a new home. If left alone, my dog would have gone for a short walk and returned happy and healthy.[/quote]
Found high in the mountains; where few people live
starving
Thirsty (it was hot and dry)
Mange
No collar
No chip
bite marks
Enough?
[quote=“Tigerman”]
How can he be tarring anyone, when you’ve already explained that there are many reasons that organizations cannot take in every stray or abandoned animal, and when you’ve clarified that letting individuals care for and deal with the re-homing animals is often more efficient?
I’m sorry, but, I don’t see the need to name any organizations in this case. What possible good could result form such an outing/naming, in light of your explanations given above?[/quote]
Yes that was not my intention to tar rather just advising some well intentioned foreigners that there is little support out there.
I kept the dog at the vets cause there was nowhere else I could keep it. That cost me a lot of money. Although some other foreigners were really kind and chipped in with the costs in the end. The mange injections were expensive and again some other foreigners chipped in.
I was recommended by one welfare organization to take it to a cheaper vets in wugu. I had no transport to take it from Taipei to Wu Gu and no help was offered for that for transportation (I asked for help).
One organization offered to send it to the USA but said I had to pay for all vaccinations, the flight and handle all of that. They would just find it an owner on the other end.
I asked every organization I knew about to foster while I found it an owner but none could. One told me that they don’t tend to foster pure breeds as local people are more likely to take them in than mixed breeds, so that is why they give priority to mixed breeds. Another member of an organization told me (she didn’t want her name mentioned) that they don’t like to take in bull terriers because they are more likely to fight with other dogs while they look after them.
Anyways there was no room for this dog at any of the organizations that I contacted (I don’t know if I contacted every dog welfare organization that exists in Taiwan) and no support. Not complaining just advising other foreigners that re-homing a dog is very difficult, expensive and time consuming and not to expect the various dog sancturies to help you as they are full or …
It is often probably just best to feed the dog and treat it at the place you found it and in the meantime put its picture and details on facebook. However if you have a big house with space for a dog then it would be a lot lot easier.
That is all I have to say really.
You did a wonderful thing! And you are justified, IMO, to advise others that many organizations can offer little or no help in some cases.
My comments on that point come from experience. No matter what size an organisation nor how well run it is, it will need individuals to take in animals. We have seen time and again, without fail, that animals taken in by individuals find homes far more quickly than if the responsibility is passed onto an org. Animal welfare is relatively new here in Taiwan, and I don’t know of any orgs that fit the criteria you say is all that’s required for it to do better at rehoming than an individual. We have 84 animals needing homes; I’m sure other orgs have similar or more. It’s unlikely that an org can be 84 times more effective than an individual with a commitment to see a particular dog rehomed. Even in countries where welfare is well established and orgs are huge and very well run, rehoming rates rarely equal intake rates, so they have to kill animals already in their care to make room for the newcomer. Here in Taiwan, if an org has an open-door policy, whereby every request for a stray to be taken in is accepted, then a number of things can happen. These range from inhumane overcrowding to dumping or even killing. We have to accept that there is no perfect solution that doesn’t involve getting more individuals to do as fenlander did and take it upon themselves to rehome a found stray. I wish it were different, but it’s not.
As Tigerman mentioned, space and staffing are the biggest issues. Many orgs will take your money to relieve you of a found stray, but you may want to take a good look inside those places to see if that really is a good idea.
[quote=“Tigerman”]How can he be tarring anyone, when you’ve already explained that there are many reasons that organizations cannot take in every stray or abandoned animal, and when you’ve clarified that letting individuals care for and deal with the re-homing animals is often more efficient?
I’m sorry, but, I don’t see the need to name any organizations in this case. What possible good could result form such an outing/naming, in light of your explanations given above?[/quote]
I think you’ve confused my comments with the OP’s. Fenlander has already addressed your issue now though. I do feel, though, that charities relying on public support should answer to questions and concerns that members of the public raise. This was an opportunity to provide some valuable feedback on customer service so that changes can be made or explanations given. It hurts, but hearing what the public really think of our work is incredibly important if we are to become the best we can be.
Ex Animo offered to share the album for the dog, but no one sent it to me. I did see that another org I started was kind enough to make up an adoption poster and share it on Facebook, and it came up on my wall several times, so it did get lots of publicity. So I think you did get support, but not in the way you would have preferred.
No one asked us for help with vets or transportation. We probably could have assisted with that. We were just asked if we could take in a stray dog (we can sometimes, but that’s not what Ex Animo does; we’re a rescue org that helps animals in dire need of veterinary assistance and we provide sanctuary to ‘difficult’ animals, such as aggressive or disabled dogs).
Sadly, that would have been a death sentence for one of the millions of dogs in kill shelters in the US. About 3 million dogs are killed in US shelters each year for lack of homes, so, although people and orgs who send dogs to the States are well intentioned, it does more harm than good. What we’d like to see is these same people and orgs being proactive about increasing the adoption rate here in Taiwan.
[quote=“fenlander”]Not complaining just advising other foreigners that re-homing a dog is very difficult, expensive and time consuming and not to expect the various dog sancturies to help you as they are full or …
It is often probably just best to feed the dog and treat it at the place you found it and in the meantime put its picture and details on facebook. However if you have a big house with space for a dog then it would be a lot lot easier.
That is all I have to say really. [/quote]
There are dozens of stray-rescue orgs that between them help hundreds if not thousands of stray animals each year. Sometimes we can help people like yourself, and we are happy to when we are able. Sadly, though, the stray problem is bigger than all of us, and that’s just a regrettable reality.
I know you feel that your act of kindness caused you considerable stress and expense, but I hope now you can look back on it as a positive experience given the very happy outcome you got for your efforts. Don’t give up on the orgs next time; we do sometimes have space and will help if possible.
[quote=“fenlander”][quote=“ichbinjenny”]Having had a pet recently walk off and not return, I have to ask…
How do you know this dog was dumped?
I’m actually worried that someone took my dog in and either plans to keep it or is trying to find it a new home. If left alone, my dog would have gone for a short walk and returned happy and healthy.[/quote]
Found high in the mountains; where few people live
starving
Thirsty (it was hot and dry)
Mange
No collar
No chip
bite marks
Enough?[/quote]
Maybe he was dumped, I dunno. If so, yea! for all your efforts.
But, the family could have been having a picnic somewhere nearby and he just walked off into the mountains for a stroll. It happens. Having no chip doesn’t mean much – all it says is the owner didn’t get one put in, most likely because they didn’t think the animal would ever need it. Who knows how long he has been there? So yeah, being all alone in a “hot and dry” environment, struggling to find water and food would explain his poor physical condition.
Having had a happy, loved dog just walk off and not return, I now see there might be other reasons out there other than just “dog was abandoned by owner”.
[quote=“finley”]
ichbinjenny: sorry to hear about your pet, but if your pet has been “petnapped”, I guess that’s better than the hypothetical alternative. If your pet was a cat, it’s quite possible it’s “adopted” some other human - they sometimes do that - but I don’t think outright theft is very common. We have our cats RFID’d (I assume the OP’s vet checked the dog for a RFID chip), and when we had cats that wandered outside we put phone-number tags on their collars too.[/quote]
Thanks for your kind words, Finley! I don’t think anyone took him maliciously; I think they might have seen a cute dog (who happens to have sorrowful, begging-like eyes without even trying) walking alone on the street and thought he would be able to give the dog a good home. He was wearing a collar but – I hate to say it – the collar had no tag with my details. :+( Stupid me, really.
But, no, I disagree that his being taken is better than being left on the street. He’s been known to just walk out when a customer leaves the door open. He plays with the other dogs (also walking around the nabe) and lays in the sun. He sniffs the scooters around the block and does god knows what else, but he comes back in an hour or two. It was a beautiful day, and I’m near a major park. Someone from a neighboring town could have picked him up and taken him home, and now he’ll have a more difficult time finding his way back if he ever so decides to.
And this is why I mentioned my little one in this thread. We don’t know the whole situation, and it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the animal was just left behind. The OP did a good job of bringing the dog back to health, and he deserves a big pat on the back – no doubt about that!
[quote=“ichbinjenny”][quote=“finley”]
ichbinjenny: sorry to hear about your pet, but if your pet has been “petnapped”, I guess that’s better than the hypothetical alternative. If your pet was a cat, it’s quite possible it’s “adopted” some other human - they sometimes do that - but I don’t think outright theft is very common. We have our cats RFID’d (I assume the OP’s vet checked the dog for a RFID chip), and when we had cats that wandered outside we put phone-number tags on their collars too.[/quote]
Thanks for your kind words, Finley! I don’t think anyone took him maliciously; I think they might have seen a cute dog (who happens to have sorrowful, begging-like eyes without even trying) walking alone on the street and thought he would be able to give the dog a good home. He was wearing a collar but – I hate to say it – the collar had no tag with my details. :+( Stupid me, really.
But, no, I disagree that his being taken is better than being left on the street. He’s been known to just walk out when a customer leaves the door open. He plays with the other dogs (also walking around the nabe) and lays in the sun. He sniffs the scooters around the block and does god knows what else, but he comes back in an hour or two. It was a beautiful day, and I’m near a major park. Someone from a neighboring town could have picked him up and taken him home, and now he’ll have a more difficult time finding his way back if he ever so decides to.
And this is why I mentioned my little one in this thread. We don’t know the whole situation, and it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the animal was just left behind. The OP did a good job of bringing the dog back to health, and he deserves a big pat on the back – no doubt about that![/quote]
I really hope this thread will also encourage pet owners to chip their pets, and to put some contact info on a tag if it’s likely to wander regularly. Last month, a husky turned up in our area and nobody came to find it for the few weeks we (the community) waited. We took him to the pound and to vets around our area and nobody was looking for an unchipped husky. He was obviously loved by someone at some time. Our area only has a few households so it would have been very easy to put up a poster or knock on doors to find the dog. He is now in a nice, new home. I still wonder if a loving owner is looking for him, but maybe someone also saw it as an opportunity to lose him. We’ll never know because we can’t find the owner.
We regularly have dogs dumped in our area (eg the recent lab tied to a post with a bag of food beside it, for a few days before someone took it to the pound - I didn’t see this one but regular hikers in our area told me about it), so if an unchipped dog turns up suddenly, people will assume it has been dumped. It doesn’t take long for a dog to look like nobody loves it.
Ichbinjenny, I hope your little guy comes back to you soon!
[quote=“Ex Animo”]
I know you feel that your act of kindness caused you considerable stress and expense, but I hope now you can look back on it as a positive experience given the very happy outcome you got for your efforts. Don’t give up on the orgs next time; we do sometimes have space and will help if possible.[/quote]
Actually now I know better how much effort it must take for rescue organizations to look after and re-home so many dogs as it was hard enough with one dog. Anyways thanks for all your good work. 
i once took in a dumped bull terrier and she almost ripped my shiba inu in half, i still have bite marks on my knee and the back of my leg…i had to jump in between the two to get her to stop, i picked her up , i did everything but she would not let go. so I had to push my leg into her face and she went for that.
bull terriers are pretty territorial and I had 4 dogs with me at the time…she wanted to sit near me and didn’t like sharing the attention. Of course not all terriers are like this, but I won’t take another one into my home because I don’t know how to handle them.
Yes, from personal experience…never ever take an animal off the street if you aren’t prepared to pay a LOT of money or end up adopting it. The organisations have high rent to pay, and most have well over 50 dogs…they need to get their dogs adopted out before taking in more dogs. Especially because the purebreds are easier to rehome. And by easy I don’t mean a couple of days…but they still go faster than some dogs that have spent 5 years waiting for homes.
super glad that he got a home. Even though she caused a lot of blood and scars in my home, I have never ever been so in awe of a dog before. The way she moved, the way she looked at me like she knew way more than I do…just an amazing breed!
Sorry to hear that Jenny , it sucks when you don’t know what happened, but I see ads for missing small dogs all the time. Small dogs are popular here. I had a cat once that went missing and still wonder what happened to her.
I got stuck in a similar quandary to the OP before and he has done a good service publicizing this issue. They basically will not take in healthy to semi healthy dogs. I completely understand their point due to the overwhelming pressure they face but it is a surprise when they tell you it’s up to you to deal with things. Costs do come into it aswell. Another time we had to pay for a dog to be put down not cheap either.
I took in a dog and he is now living in the countryside in not ideal conditions, but at least is alive and cared for to some degree. Now I will try to avoid getting involved with strays because of my experiences. I do not have the time or energy available and in the end you will mostly be left on your own.