US Presidential Election 2004 II

Then there’s this perspective on the Neocon fiction that ‘everyone believed’:

"Days before the Iraq war began, veteran Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus put together a story questioning whether the Bush administration had proof that Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction.

But he ran into resistance from the paper’s editors, and his piece ran only after assistant managing editor Bob Woodward, who was researching a book about the drive toward war, “helped sell the story,” Pincus recalled. “Without him, it would have had a tough time getting into the paper.” Even so, the article was relegated to Page A17. . .

Some reporters who were lobbying for greater prominence for stories that questioned the administration’s evidence complained to senior editors who, in the view of those reporters, were unenthusiastic about such pieces. The result was coverage that, despite flashes of groundbreaking reporting, in hindsight looks strikingly one-sided at times.

“The paper was not front-paging stuff,” said Pentagon correspondent Thomas Ricks. “Administration assertions were on the front page. Things that challenged the administration were on A18 on Sunday or A24 on Monday. There was an attitude among editors: Look, we’re going to war, why do we even worry about all this contrary stuff?”

Michael Massing, a New York Review of Books contributor and author of the forthcoming book “Now They Tell Us,” on the press and Iraq, said: . . . on the key issue of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, the paper was generally napping along with everyone else. It gave readers little hint of the doubts that a number of intelligence analysts had about the administration’s claims regarding Iraq’s arsenal." . . .

On Jan. 30, 2003, Pincus and Priest reported that the evidence the administration was amassing about Baghdad hiding weapons equipment and documents “is still circumstantial.” The story ran on Page A14. . .

Such decisions coincided with The Post editorial page’s strong support for the war, such as its declaration the day after (Colin) Powell’s (UN) presentation that “it is hard to imagine how anyone could doubt that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction.” . . .

In mid-March, as the administration was on the verge of invading Iraq, Woodward stepped in to give the stalled Pincus piece about the administration’s lack of evidence a push.

“Despite the Bush administration’s claims” about WMDs, the March 16 Pincus story began, “U.S. intelligence agencies have been unable to give Congress or the Pentagon specific information about the amounts of banned weapons or where they are hidden, according to administration officials and members of Congress,” raising questions “about whether administration officials have exaggerated intelligence.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58127-2004Aug11.html

Who is ‘we’?

Who is ‘we’?[/quote]

You’re pulling a “Bill Clinton” here.

“We” is not important. You. Me. Them. They. Santa Claus. The French. The Iraqis.

The questions still remains flike. And let me now make it even more simple:

What would YOU do if YOU found a huge stockpile of WMDs in Iraq? How would that change or not change YOUR views.

Please don’t ask me to define “YOUR”.

If a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction were uncovered in Iraq then I’d be man enough to admit I was wrong.

Yea, but that’s just the point.

What would you be wrong about???

Wrong that you thought there were no WMDs to begin with?
Wrong that President Bush made a wrong decision to go to war?
Wrong that the CIA is incompetent?
Wrong that Chenney is in bed with Halliburton?
Wrong that Bush is an idiot?
Wrong that the war was all about oil?
Wrong about … insert your favorite conspiracy …

What does “man enough to admit your’re wrong” really mean?

The point is that if gettting Bush out of office isn’t about not finding WMDs, it will be about something else. The goal is to hate Bush, not think rationally. I mention this because the largest foundation for the “Iraq Was a Mistake” argument (currently) is that WMDs never existed. If that leg were to be yanked out, ne?

What would be your guess as to the NEXT argument the left would gravitate to?

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[quote=“pinesay”]“We” is not important. You. Me. Them. They. Santa Claus. The French. The Iraqis.

The questions still remains flike. And let me now make it even more simple:

What would YOU do if YOU found a huge stockpile of WMDs in Iraq? How would that change or not change YOUR views.

Please don’t ask me to define “YOUR”.[/quote]

If a stockpile were found that existed before the war, that was created by Hussein’s government, then I would obviously be forced to conclude that Hussein was in violation of UN sanctions.

However, I would demand that verification. After all, the US failed to secure conventional weapons caches throughout Iraq, so who knows what could have happened there.

In addition, the US administration claimed absolute and accurate knowledge of WMD stockpiles before the war. After the war began, it sent in its own military inspectors - UN help was expressly not welcome - and still didn’t find anything. And hasn’t found anything to date.

There also exists evidence that the US has tried to plant evidence of WMD in Iraq.

The chances are excellent that any WMD that exist in Iraq now came there after the war, and were not there before.

Let me ask you: if WMD were found tomorrow in Iraq, would you trust the Bush administration enough to blithely conclude that Hussein put them there?

My apology would go something like this:

"I owe President Bush and everyone who supported him in the invasion of Iraq and the toppling of Saddam Hussein an apology.

Saddam was, as President Bush claimed, stockpiling weapons of mass destruction with the goal of sucker punching the United States at his first opportunity and so we had no choice but to invade Iraq and topple his regime without waiting another day.

I apologize for calling President Bush a war-mongering liar. The truth is President Bush was speaking honestly after all and it was we who were blinded into lies, oversimplifications and exaggerations by our ideology.

Rather than being shamed that I voted for President Bush and maintaining that his bone-headed religious radicalism is the worst thing that’s happened to the American republic since its founding, it is I who am shamed for not seeing the truth and standing up for my country in its hour of need."

That’s pretty much it. No evasions, no changing my positions and/or justifications after the facts. No attempts to drag things out with reducto ad absurbio arguments about why weapons of mass destruction were found.

Saddam was in violation whether or not WMD are found.

Very well. I would obviously be forced to conclude that Hussein was in violation of additional sanctions.

Please continue the discussion here: [US Presidential Election 2004 III

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