🇺🇲 🛂 USA | Taiwanese with negative USCBP Experience

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Last month my Taiwanese wife came to spend some time here in the US. When she landed in San Francisco, she was pulled aside just before entering the customs hall by a USCBP officer (U.S. Customs and Border Protection, a division of U.S. Department of Homeland Security, a.k.a. CBP). The officer asked about her reasons for visiting the US, how long she was planning to stay, how much USD cash she was carrying, etc.

These are questions that are not uncommon for even US citizens in San Francisco. For example, when I returned from Taiwan in March I, too, was pulled aside by CBP and asked similar questions. If you’ve ever disembarked at SFO then you might remember the last long hallway leading into the customs hall; there are long wheelchair ramps on either side and this time each had a CBP officer loitering thereon. This loitering officer thing was new IIRC.

For my wife things took a turn, however, when she was escorted to a room where they were joined by a second CBP officer. The questions escalated to her employment status, questions about her employer, her checking and savings account balances (!), her marriage status (!) and other questions that she doesn’t remember well because by that time she was pretty hot under the collar about the direction the questions had taken. She said the first CBP officer, a female, became rude (in the room) while the second officer, a male, was very polite. After about 30 minutes she was allowed to pass. There were no further issues with US customs; everything that followed was her normal experience there.

She said she also saw a second unaccompanied Taiwanese woman (same flight) pulled into a different room nearby.

Nothing physical happened, but uncharacteristically she still gets upset when she talks about this experience. Like, she gets angrier and angrier the more she talks about it. It derailed a LINE conversation yesterday until she was able to cool off. I’ve known her for almost 25 years and I’ve never seen her need to process anger this slowly. It makes me worry that her experience was very bad indeed.

She returned to Taiwan last week, no issues. Yesterday she visited a co-worker in Hsinchu who asked about her visit to the US. Lo and behold her co-worker had undergone a very similar experience entering the US at SFO earlier this year. Stopped by a female CBP officer before entering the SFO customs hall, then led to a small room where a male CBP officer joined them. Many too-personal questions asked by CBP - especially about income and wealth - then abruptly released. In her case the lengthy interview had caused her to miss her connecting (domestic) flight.

Now, the USA has in place the Visa Waiver Program that allows Taiwanese to purchase inbound airline tickets under the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA). ESTA authorizes landings by Taiwanese (and other) citizens at international airports in the US. Actual admission to the US, however, is granted by CBP based on an interview with CBP officers. So you pay US$4 to apply for the ESTA, then US$17 more if you’re approved. An ESTA buys you an interview with CBP; actual entry into the country depends on the outcome of your interview. My wife knew all this going in.

That said, she thinks she sees a pattern. To wit, unaccompanied Taiwanese women are having issues with an unreasonably nosy CBP in San Francisco. Told her I would try to look into it. A couple hours later, on reddit and the rest of the internet, but no results.

Anybody else having sudden problems in 2023 clearing customs in San Francisco? Perhaps an interview with CBP that seemed uncomfortably personal?

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I can’t say but

Welcome back.

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It wouldn’t surprise me if there were increased screenings of anyone inbound with a Chinese appearance, simply because of the current political situation. (Not saying it’s “right” mind you.)

I’ve been watching shows about border patrol and this sounds normal. Single females are suspect because some marry in the U.S. and overstay without applying for the appropriate visa, and they later apply for leniency to remain in the U.S.

A tourist visa/visa exclusion is for tourist purposes. If they sense you have marriage intent or immigration intent they’ll deny entry. So they ask lots of questions about work etc to see if they plan to return home, or they’re a dependent of the U.S. person.

In your wife’s case they probably wanted to make sure her intent wasn’t to immigrate. I don’t think it’s a particularly easy job for the border agents, their job is to interrogate and see if there’s intent to do things which the visa doesn’t allow.

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This has happened recently to two of my Taiwanese single female friends (they don’t know each other). Both of them separately entered the US via SFO. One was this summer, and the other was last month.

They were pulled into the room because they both planned to stay in the US for three whole months (this will trigger a red flag).

Eventually one of them was allowed to enter, and the other one was turned away due to suspicion that she planned to overstay. Her vacation was ruined.

I’ll spare you the details of what happened to them (worse than what you said happened to your wife). Maybe I will another time when I have more time to write a long post.

Anyway, this is all very normal and common. Until you officially enter the borders, you have zero human rights.

If someone overstays in the U.S. and marries a U.S. person, there’s a particular path they can take to get a spousal visa and stay legally

Yes, but the CBP wants to prevent people from even getting to that point.

Who would do tourism in the US for a full three months?

This sounds more like “staying in the US without a specific purpose” (no study permit, no work permit . . . ).

Guy

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Last April 2022 I was in the room where they do the additional questioning. I saw 2 individual Taiwanese, 1 single woman and 1 single man, being aggressively questioned nearly to the point of verbal assault by the officers. They asked a lot of really personal questions within hearing distance of the half dozen other people in the room. I really felt bad for them, it was clear they were scared by these officers. Was a great first experience for my wife that had never been to the US before. Just today my wife mentioned she read multiple stories on a FB page for Taiwanese travellers that were very similar to what we witnessed and what you are describing. All of these incidents occuring at SFO, and most involving single female travellers.
I’m not sure what’s going on but those officers really do a great job of being complete assholes.

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Cherry on the cake is if you are ever refused entry to the US, applied for and refused a visa, you lose visa waiver forever. From now on you need a visa to enter the US for any reason. Any reason for the refusal of entry and whatnot will make your future visa application extremely difficult.

Thing is once in the US nobody checks you for papers, including stuff like employment. They turn a blind eye to illegal immigration but treats you like a potential terrorist when entering the country. The condition to be permanently banned from entering the US is so easy, that once you trigger this, it’s actually less risk to simply enter the US by whatever means and be there illegally.

And application for a visa in the US, no matter the visa, is extremely onerous.

That’s what the officer said to her.

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Hmmm. Maybe if this gig I have in Taiwan doesn’t work out, I could find work at SFO. I promise I’ll have better manners than the folks questioning @bojack 's spouse!

Guy

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I think another of the shortcomings of the US system is the proliferation of a shit ton of tiny tyrants among airport personnel working for CBP and TSA.

Unfortunately employees of the Federal government are often practically immune to dismissal. Some of these people need to find a different, non-customer-facing way to make a living.

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Good grief, that’s an awful story. Please take the time to write further on this, if you can. I’d like to hear the whole story.

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Great job indeed. Guess I’m beginning to understand why she sounds so traumatized.

Gonna have to talk to the wife about avoiding this in the future.

Edit: by the way, can you post a link to that fb page?

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I heard this recently about single Japanese female travelers being interrogated as well. The reasoning was that they were looking for women coming to solicit prostitution.

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This is what I suspect as well. I personally know of a few Taiwanese women who are permanently banned from Visa Waiver for using short trips to Canada as an attempt to stay in the US long-term. The CBP is slightly less tolerant than the NIA on this one!

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If you’re looking for a practical path forward, if your spouse is not a US citizen, she should be prepared to state succinctly that her purpose for entering the US is to see you, her husband, and to have all manner of corroborating documents to show that this is indeed the case.

That’s what I’d do, anyways.

Guy

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Some other persons experience, comments are interesting read

FYI: I never had problems at LAX airport arrivals, they seem so busy to get people out (see comments on vid, one got out LAX in 3 min). The most questions I had was in Vancouver airport, in Italy nothing (e gate),

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Lax is better, it’s extremely busy.

When I entered on immigration visa back in 2014 I was taken to secondary (it seems this is sop for immigration visa holders) then processed in as new immigrant without incident.

I recommend entering via lax in the future.

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