its common sense that being a prostitute from a poor south east asian country is a big deal compared to being a digital nomad.
illegal is illegal? do you even live in taiwan? don’t you even need to do a visa run to get an ARC in the first place anyway?
Yes I live in Taiwan. No, I have never needed to do a visa run.
you cannot change a visa to a working visa though while here… you need to leave and come back. so what is that if its not a visa run?
No you don’t. I’ve changed my visitor’s visa to a resident visa and received the ARC. I have not had to leave Taiwan to become a resident.
I’ve even gotten an ARC on a visitor’s visa upon receiving the work permit. I didn’t have to leave.
And, from my previous post. I had an issue with multiple visa(exempt) runs. If you need to leave to get a legal visa. That’s fine!
you can change visa-exempt to white collar job based ARC without leaving.
you can also get a resident visa before you come here and can directly change it to ARC.
That’s a visa conversion. From visitor to resident.
We’re talking about people who live here who never get a visa and leave and enter on tourist visa-exempt stamps, but have spent the entire year, two years, five years, only leaving to get the new 90 day stamp.
I’ve been in TW on visa free entry technically not visa run because I’ve always been leaving TW long before my 90 days are due for either business trip or vacation but shouldn’t matter. For the last three years I’ve spend about 70% of my time in Taiwan. I’m sure if the TW gov had issues with this they would have asked me questions at the airport by now?
and i’m talking about people who come on visa free and then get a working ARC to teach english. they need to do a visa run! the point is, this is taiwan. not every ‘illegal’ is equal. if you can’t see that and you want to compare digital nomads from wealthy western countrys to thai hookers you are just being belligerent for the sake of it.
Yes! They’re leaving to change their purpose and acquire the appropriate permits. I agree with that. And I said one is fine. They’re getting permits. They’re getting permission when things change. That’s legal! Nothing wrong with that.
Multiple visa-exempt entries equates to at least one year.
I am and I am not equating nomads with prostitutes. Personally I don’t have a problem with prostitutes. They’re people too and I don’t think it is immoral. If you wanna be a prostitute, I think it should be legal with legal protections afforded to individuals to avoid exploitation. But if it’s illegal or you are without permits, you aren’t going to be afforded a stay here.
Using your logic, working in a kindergarten is not equal to prostitution, but both are going to get you kicked out equally.
That’s not really a visa run per se. That’s a visa conversion. The resident visa only allows one use. During that use, you can get an ARC. When you get an ARC, you no longer need the resident visa in your passport. Furthermore, the resident visa expires after it is used once upon entry.
and I’m talking on legality of multiple visa run and nomading during visa-exempt stay. I think the former is clear, otherwise they are stopped and fined at the immigration. The latter is not clear, imo.
the numbers basically disagree with your logic. you said it yourself, thais are getting 30 - 14 days, which you tried to blame on digital nomads for ‘abusing our taiwanese friends’, which is laughable.
if a westerner teaching english illegally in a buxiban was equal things would be a lot stricter. you don’t really have anything to back up what you are saying at the end of the day.
You missed my point.
They relaxed for Thai nationals. They found a large number of people were abusing the system. They tightened it up.
It is not yet being abused in large numbers for western passports. They did open it up for us too. We had 30 days until like 2012. I still have my 30 day stamp from my trip to Taiwan.
But one more person abusing visa-free entry and misrepresenting their purpose of stay means higher risk of rule tightening and lower trust.
If someone’s been a 540-day tourist. I’m going to suggest they are likely misrepresenting their purpose of stay.
sure, but i’m still gonna call it a visa run. sorry if people are not happy with that but it is what it is.
you just answered your own question didn’t you? they don’t consider it abuse! its pretty obvious we disagree on this.
Yes, I have.
If you come here to study mandarin in a language centre, you cannot get an ARC until you have been at the school for 6 months.
Not necessarily. It’s not that it’s not abuse, but not enough people are abusing it for it to be changed. But one more person is one more person. Nobody knows when they will draw the line.
If everybody is speeding, then there can only be two solutions.
Either the law is too difficult to follow and needs to be relaxed.
Or they’re causing too much trouble and the law needs to be tightened.
again. i disagree. its not comparable to south east asian hookers and what not. if you want to keep replying then suit yourself but i’ve made my point.
Ok. I agree to disagree.