Wasted chance as Taiwan's president

Japan Times occupied by pan-Blue media.

More seriously, I always thought one of the most long-lasting and significant effects of Hu and Lien shaking hands in Beijing last year would be the contributions coming from pan-Blue intellectuals. Quite honestly, the Communist Party doesn’t know how to talk to Taiwan or the western world. Everything that’s ever been published in the past 10 years confirms that. Ma Ying-jiu, as well as his Western-educated pan-Blue peers, have far more credibility on these topics.

Ma’s tour of the United States and Europe earlier this year reaffirmed this. No mainland Chinese politician could ever get that sort of attention or treatment from Western press and think-tanks. No mainland Chinese intellectual could argue points like the ones made in this article without having it easily ignored as being “Communist propaganda”.

Beijing calls this the “United Front”. It’s a very apt name, and I think it will continue to bear fruit.

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I think there are some points in here pretaining to the economy that, if explored more deeply in purely economic terms, would have made for some worthwhile reading and food for thought. But instead the author tries to put a lopsided political spin on everything. Ultimately, the author attempts to deliver a political viewpoint using economics as justification while never making and convincing correlation between the two. Unfortunately, the article does not address either topic deeply enough to be convincing on either count. There are a lot of generalizations about the economy but not much hard data or specific cause and effect analysis. Not to say that economy and gov’t are unrelated but it’s a gross oversimplification to explain away all economic indicators to be the result of government policy. On the political side, it reads like just another anti-Chen tirade containing the usual pan-blue mantras - while conveniently overlooking a lot of vitally related issues. Agian, the political points are not necessarily invalid, but they are just so one-sided and over-simplified that it’s hard to take seriously. Unfortunately, there are those people out there who will cite articles such as this as ‘proof’ that A-Bian and the DPP are to blame for everything that is wrong with Taiwan today. Speaking of wasted opportunities, this article is a wasted opportunity to discuss several important issues rationally. Based on this article, this ‘visiting scholar’ at Priinceton would be better off as a ‘visiting student’ because he has little of scholarly value to offer.

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A lot of folks who are a bit knowlegeable of the recent (pre-Chen) political history of Taiwan and who held high hopes for Chen’s presidency–myself included–are nothing but severely disappointed in his failure to advance policies on human rights, curruption-free public adminstration, dialogue with the mainland and so on.
It was indeed a huge waste of potential. That he was even unable to rise above the standards of previous regimes–in fact, he may have even fallen below their standards–discredits not only his presidency, but will also make it extremely difficult for reform-minded politicians to be elected for years. What a failure!

I for one am a huge fan of balanced, rational debate. But the truth is, very little of the “debate” and discussion that occurs in the Western public space via media is balanced or rational. Even careful readers will rarely find “balance” in any single article, with media sources regularly (and mostly accurately) labeled as Blue, Green, Liberal, Conservative, Rightist, Leftist. Popular writers present “arguments”, not discussions.

And this is my point. The Communist Party of China can’t participate in this debate in the Western public space, even if the discussion is already rarely balanced or rational. The CPC is too obvious of a punching bag. But pan-Blue intellectuals/journalists who’ve been exposed and adopted into this Western infrastructure are a different story. Be it Ma, Long, or the guy who wrote this article… they are credible even if the arguments they present are one-sided. This is the value of the United Front.

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[quote=“Wookiee”]A lot of folks who are a bit knowlegeable of the recent (pre-Chen) political history of Taiwan and who held high hopes for Chen’s presidency–myself included–are nothing but severely disappointed in his failure to advance policies on human rights, curruption-free public adminstration, dialogue with the mainland and so on.
It was indeed a huge waste of potential. That he was even unable to rise above the standards of previous regimes–in fact, he may have even fallen below their standards–discredits not only his presidency, but will also make it extremely difficult for reform-minded politicians to be elected for years. What a failure![/quote]
Myself, and probably most people, agree to various degrees. However, this particular article fails to deliver a convincing or worthwhile discussion of the topic. It reads more like an opinion letter than a scholarly analysis.

Wishful thinking. The debate here isn’t about “Chineseness”, either, but rather the failure in moral and intellectual reasoning that requires the rejection of “Chineseness”. And failure in moral and intellectual reasoning, real or perceived, is also the fulcrum around with Western political debate seems to be leveraged today.

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the thing i dislike most about this article is its heavy-handed condemnation and scornful tone - very reminiscent of the pro-blue media in taiwan…it goes to the professionalism and good manners of the writer.[/quote]Also very reminiscent of every post you’ve written about mainland China. Oh I remember, your posts are justified because mainland China “deserves” it. Gotcha.

I agree that the CCP can find a mouthpiece in those Taiwanese, HK, etc. scholars that take a more Western approach. I think it does lend an unexpected boost to the United Front strategy, though not being a planned part of it. For instance, while blasting the DPP this guy also talks down on China. Sounds like one of those Taiwanese who see Taiwan as carrying the torch of ‘true’ Chinese culture and feel that China has damaged or done disservice to it through things like Simplified Characters, etc.

[quote=“cctang”]I for one am a huge fan of balanced, rational debate. But the truth is, very little of the “debate” and discussion that occurs in the Western public space via media is balanced or rational. Even careful readers will rarely find “balance” in any single article, with media sources regularly (and mostly accurately) labeled as Blue, Green, Liberal, Conservative, Rightist, Leftist. Popular writers present “arguments”, not discussions.

And this is my point. The Communist Party of China can’t participate in this debate in the Western public space, even if the discussion is already rarely balanced or rational. The CPC is too obvious of a punching bag. But pan-Blue intellectuals/journalists who’ve been exposed and adopted into this Western infrastructure are a different story. Be it Ma, Long, or the guy who wrote this article… they are credible even if the arguments they present are one-sided. This is the value of the United Front.[/quote]

I dont quite get you. Lies is lies is lies. But you seem to be suggesting a western degree, or playing by the media rules of the west, give you license to distort?! That THAT is credible compared to communist propaganda?! Where do you draw the distinction? Because people like Ma or this Shaw are subtle in their misrepresentation? No hard sell? Or that they havent got universally called on their lies yet?

Are you endorsing dishonesty because it gets things done?

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I totally agree with this point. I believe that’s one reason some people in Taiwan feel the need to “de-Sinicize” in the first place. There seems to be some misconception that if you identify as being “Chinese”, then you have some kind of historical, spiritual, and biological obligation - now or in the future - to belong to the country of “China”. In reality, there are many people in Taiwan who feel that “Chinese” culture. history, and language was forced on them after 1949. Yet, when people want to focus on what they see as local culture - which is very ‘Chinese’ in the first place - they are accused of being the ones de-Sinicizing and polarizing society.

There needs to be some serious public education to help people - both blue and green - understand the distinction between nationality and ethnicity. That would help ease social tensions. Ha ha… fat chance with the media environment here that won’t even adress such issues as the environment as a public service…

Yep, if China hadn’t turned Chinese culture into an imperialist tool, no one would feel the need to develop a countervailing culture, and China would be richer by all the myriad expressions of Chinese culture. But instead we get ein volk, ein…

Michael

yes, let us all let pass the superior Chinese race…
And now, Olympic games… Let us show the world that the Chinese race is superior to all the rest.
(Where have we saw this already?)
“The Americans should be ashamed of themselves, letting Negroes win their medals for them. I shall not shake hands with this Negro…do you really think that I will allow myself to be photographed shaking hands with a Negro?”

Balder von Shirach claimed Hitler said this after the 100m victory of Jesse Owens.

Did they declare that ROC flags will be banished from the Olympic and carrying them will be equal to be expelled and probably condemned to death by shooting in the Tiananmen Square?

[quote=“almondcookie”][quote=“cctang”]
Wishful thinking. The debate here isn’t about “Chineseness”, either, but rather the failure in moral and intellectual reasoning that requires the rejection of “Chineseness”. And failure in moral and intellectual reasoning, real or perceived, is also the fulcrum around with Western political debate seems to be leveraged today.[/quote]

a people defining themselves by nationality rather than ethnicity is not a failure in moral and intellectual reasoning. a failure in moral and intellectual reasoning results when individual rights are ignored and when a belligerent dictatorship brainwashes its people into thinking they have a mandate to tell others how to define themselves.

only true when it comes to human rights issues being in conflict with a country’s international policy. rest of the time it’s really centered around how laissaz faire and or centralist governments should be. that includes intervention in non-economic matters.

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Also very reminiscent of every post you’ve written about mainland China. Oh I remember, your posts are justified because mainland China “deserves” it. Gotcha.[/quote]

nah, on the vicious name calling, u’ve done much better than i![/quote]

Good post…cuts right to the heart of the “race as a nation” policy of China. Race should not trump self-determination; how can you force people to be something if they don’t define themselves as such? To do otherwise is irredentism.

The “race as a nation” policy of China is something hard to swallow, cause many countries have similar races, and no one complains. How would one define Europe? By race? buah ah ah

I think the thread is bias in defining race in Western terms. How does China define a unified race with 56 distinct minority groups in it?

Maybe it is easy for phenotypically different individuals to group all Chinese as the same race. If you insist on using the EU as an analogy, it is better to state China is most probably what the EU will look like in a few decades.

In what aspect? How can you even say that EU will be what China is now? Care to explain?

EU is based on similar principles, and that is why accepting Turkey is extremely difficult, even with all the economic good it would bring. People sharing the same principles and being completely different on their way of making them work together.

If you can take a step back and look at this objectively here, you’ll see that those looking to “de-Sinicize” have an identical perspective when it comes to nationality and ethnicity. Deep Green activists do not have a “progressive” view when it comes to nationality, either. I don’t see Michael Turton or Chen Shui-bian supporting the right of those on Kinmen or in Taipei to unilaterally reunify with mainland China. I’ve always said Chinese nationalists and Taiwanese nationalists were mirrors of each other, born of a very similar cultural prerogative.