Is looking at kiddie porn a bigger crime than, say, murder?
Well, yes.
By consuming a product, you encourage the making of that product. By consuming porn, you support the porn industry. This is all fine and dandy when you are supporting sex between two consenting adults. But when you are supporting kiddy porn you are supporting the sexual abuse and rape of children.
I deeply doubt that he had images of ONE child on his computer. He likely had images of hundreds of different children. Which meant he was contributing to the sexual abuse and rape of 100s of children.
Looking at kiddy porn of ONE child might not be equal to one murder. But supporting the sexual abuse of 100s of children is.
Perhaps 200 years was to make an example out of him for other pervs or would be pervs
Child pornography is an evil abomination.
200 years is far too good for the likes of this swine, who should be castrated at once & sent to work in the bowels of a sulfur mine.
Or perhaps ensure that he’s kept amongst the general inmate population. :grrr:
Or what about developing a working sulphur mine in his bowels?
HG
[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Or what about developing a working sulphur mine in his bowels?
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Don’t all men have that anyway?
He’s lucky; the news report said the prosecutors were seeking 340 years.
This is the same argument as the one against shows which play car chases and re-enact crimes for our titillation. It’s probably true.
Also, huge sentences are not unusual. People often get put away for 90 years and so on. They do this because a single whole life tariff can be reduced, but 10 counts of 20 years are more difficult to reduce and therefore the guy really does stay in jail for life. Killing 20 people is surely worse than killing one. On the other hand, there is the problem of the “might as well get hung for a sheep as a lamb”* way of thinking. Which is why they don’t execute rapists (or so the theory goes).
You can get 2 years for murder and life for manslaughter. And 18 months for embezzling a million quid but 15 years for robbing a house. Fun innit?
(* er, or possibly “a lamb as a sheep” given the subject matter…)
I disagree. I don’t think watching kiddie porn deserves the same level of punishiment as making kiddie porn (or murder). It deserves punishment, but not to that extent.
If he was guilty of actually molesting the children then I think 200 years is appropriate. That is on par with murder. For just having it on his computer it should be at most 20 years.
My opinion.
Molesting a child isn’t on a par with murder.
It is far worse.
By consuming a product, you encourage the making of that product. By consuming oil, you support the oil industry. Many people are killed and tortured in countries like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. By consuming oil, you are supporting the war in Iraq.
We could go on with a list of products tainted by their means of production, from diamonds to the sneakers you wear. Lots of stuff we consume is produced by slave labor or close enough to slave labor (the distinction between an exploited sweatshop laborer and an official slave isn’t worth bothering with). There isn’t a heck of a lot that we consume that isn’t tainted by exploitation in some way. How many products do we import from China?
[quote=“R. Daneel Olivaw”] I don’t think watching kiddie porn deserves the same level of punishiment as making kiddie porn…
…My opinion.[/quote]
My opinion is that the two are on exactly the same level. Without these perverts paying for it, it would never be made in the first place. If nobody looked at it, there would never be a purpose to make it.
No it isn’t. The kid is still alive, see. There are worse things you can do to a child than raping it and taking pictures. If you don’t see that, then it’s testament to what a good, moral person you are, jd.
That doesn’t make molesting a child ok, obviously. Anyone who isn’t fucked in the head would of course condemn the production and possession of child pornography.
Being molested is not worse than being murdered. Knowing your child has been molested is not worse than having a child murdered. Murdering someone deprives them of their life and causes unspeakable grief in their families and friends. Molesting or raping someone causes severe, but not insurmountable psychological problems. It may permanently affect the child’s life, it may not. Murder ‘removes’ that life.
Maybe this is why the law is seen as arbitrary sometimes; because you can’t say an amount of years of punishment atones for a particular crime.
It is far worse.[/quote]
So murdering a kid isn’t as bad as diddling one?
[quote=“R. Daneel Olivaw”]I disagree. I don’t think watching kiddie porn deserves the same level of punishiment as making kiddie porn (or murder). It deserves punishment, but not to that extent.
If he was guilty of actually molesting the children then I think 200 years is appropriate. That is on par with murder. For just having it on his computer it should be at most 20 years.
My opinion.[/quote]
How about I offer this point…
People who WATCH/ LOOK AT kiddie porn are mentally sick. The act of looking is sick. There is no reason at all on earth to see a child porn picture unless you are sick in some way. Maybe the prison time should be less for watching, but the hospital time etc should be for a very long time.
People who commit child sex offenses often believe they have committed no crime, which makes them very very dangerous indeed.
It is far worse.[/quote]
So murdering a kid isn’t as bad as diddling one?[/quote]
Dead kids don’t suffer all throughout their childhoods and go on to develop serious personality disorders which may end up torturing them and the people closest to them.
So yeah, raping kids is worse than killing them. And the kids in kiddie porn are most likely molested and raped repeatedly. We’re probably not talking about a tittie squeeze at Uncle Sals’ wedding.
[quote=“Lord Lucan”]This is the same argument as the one against shows which play car chases and re-enact crimes for our titillation. It’s probably true.
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The car cases in movies are staged.
The children in kiddy porn are real.
Not the same thing.
It is far worse.[/quote]
So murdering a kid isn’t as bad as diddling one?[/quote]
Dead kids don’t suffer all throughout their childhoods and go on to develop serious personality disorders which may end up torturing them and the people closest to them.
So yeah, raping kids is worse than killing them. And the kids in kiddie porn are most likely molested and raped repeatedly. We’re probably not talking about a tittie squeeze at Uncle Sals’ wedding.[/quote]
Agreed. Being dead is sometimes ‘preferable’ to being alive. There is more closure.
There is also the point that a victim of abuse often grows up to become an abuser themsleves.
Well, now you’ve gone from “molesting” to “systematically molesting/repeatedly raping” which are different things, I’d say.