Dude was talking tshirts from Uniqlo - what Ts you buying that you keeping forever? I like to buy quality clothes, but there’s not much approaching buy it once when it comes to clothes - maybe something like a leather jacket,.heavy outerwear, and heavy jeans? what else? Even leather shoes are usually only good for a few resolings.
Those ain’t wear it forever items.
I wear American Giant hoodies. I love em. They wear a bit better than average, but that’s because the mofo is THICK. I bet mine weighed 3 lbs new,.which doesn’t sound like a lot, but is seriously noticeable. And even then, they still don’t exactly last forever (not really much longer than others,.unless you’re talking about wearing stuff until it’s literally falling apart).
Are you resoling sneakers? If not, what are they made of and how do they last that long? My vibram boots didn’t last that long without resoling.
Yep, the shoes they’re putting out for the price is tough to beat.
Ones made in American like I listed. Heavier weight 195 gsm or light subpima cotton tees for $40 vs $20 from a fast fashion retailer like Uniqlo, H&M where the tees are made in about the cheapest/shittiest factories you can find.
Would you like pictures where they are made? The fashion industry is one of the largest polluters and fast fashion/mass retailers are the greatest offenders. Spending a little more on something that will last longer, yes even tshirts, is worth it in my opinion.
Any factory can make a t-shirt the variance comes in type and weight of cotton, quality of stitching and labor cost. Uniqlo does pretty good quality for what they are, but taking into their previous issues with labor violations I would still steer clear.
Are you just trying to nitpick? They’ll last a lot longer than a hoodie from H&M, and they are not made in sweatshops. How long something lasts depends on the user too. Cold wash hang dry.
The type of sneakers I am talking about can be re-soled. They use Margom outsoles which are standard in high end sneakers that are very durable rubber soles that can be re-soled. I have two pairs now for 6-7 years that I have not had to re-sole.
Made in Portugal/Italy, fully lined full grain leather. $189 other brands like I mentioned are not as good and charge $300 or $400/pair.
No, I’m pointing out that the last longer arguments are generally overstated.
I agree regarding overall quality and working conditions, which are the main reasons I choose to go the higher quality route. Wear…eh.
Alright… let’s add some more relevant info here. Margom are nice outsoles, but if 2 pairs are lasting 6 years, you’re either rotating them amongst (a lot of) other shoes, not wearing them much overall, or don’t walk much in them. This is like when I read on a shoe blog about some.dude with mint 10 year old shoes, and it turns out he rotates it amongst 20 other pairs and basically just walks in them to.and from the car. So spill the additional details about how much wear they’re seeing.
When it comes to fast fashion, I don’t think it’s overstated at all. The materials themselves will not hold their color after a few washes. A plain white tee is probably less noticeable but I’d still rather go with a heavier weight, side-seam construction.
They’re my main travel and work shoes. I’ve not had to re-sole. Yes I have athletic shoes that I wear for workouts or hiking shoes for hiking. I also clean my own shoes so I’m more OCD than most.
Here’s 2 of my favorite hoodies, a cheap black Hurley, and a navy American Giant. The Hurley is older and has gone through a lot more washes. The American Giant has lost a lot more color (the Hurley looks much blacker in person, but definitely washed out in the picture, so I retract the a lot). And comparing them side by side, I’m noticing it shows more wear, and the color is splotchier.
Obviously not a controlled study since we have no information about how many washes and wash care you used (i.e. water temp, hang dry, dryer low temp, high temp etc.). Fabric content also comes into play.
American Giant uses reactive dyes, typically garment dyed vs piece dyed whereas Hurley uses pigment dyes, piece dyed. Reactive dyes will have a consistently higher color fastness than pigment dying, not withstanding user error.
Obviously. But years more washes on the Hurly though. I wash everything cold, usually gentle, but sometimes normal cycle (I don’t actually care - it’s a hoodie - but I wash most everything on gentle by default (cause why wouldn’t I). And don’t separate). Rarely hang dry (again, it’s a hoodie. But gonna baby the thing.).
So. Your T’s and hoodies might have better color fastness with quality clothes than fast fashion brands, if there’s no “user error.”.User error. On Ts and hoodies. Yea, not a convincing argument for a $168 hoodie - and I’m already convinced they’re better. Ha.
Edit: it’s a cotton hoodie (edit 2 - it’s a cotton poly blend (edit 3 - I’m not sure. It claims 100% cotton. I’m reading an interview with founder that says they use a blend.). If it was one of their merino blend hoodies (which my wife has), yea, it’d get more care.
Reminds me of sports shoes, same as used by professional athletes, which usually last 40-60 hours of active use maximum.
For someone it might be two weeks, for someone else two decades.
I get their stuff on sale, but Net is generally better value, albeit less stylish.
That said, I think I mostly just get underwear and shorts at Net.
Rest is a bit random but I do prefer simple and long-lasting. Perusing my closet I seem to lean a bit more towards RL (hat tip to @Malasang88 ) and “working clothes” from various countries, (heavier canves/denim long-staple cotton).
Had a Boss sweatshirt that I wore heavily for 20yrs, only negative was a big-ass logo, (hate being a walking billboard!) but it kind of blended in. Nautica jacket that’s been around for >30yrs now, though I did have to have all the pockets redone and the zipper pulls all broke and are small keyrings now, (convenient for handing off ski passes when I’m done for the day, lol!)
Florsheims are decent enough for dress shoes, though I don’t wear them enough to give a measure of value for the wear, few resolings over a few decades has been good enough for me though.
Frye and Nordstrom boots have lasted me over a decade each, even riding regularly in all kinds of weather. Best pair ever was neither brand though, some no-name generic in a biker shop on sale for $100 that looked well-made and I needed a pair, took >20yrs before they were so worn out they couldn’t be repaired anymore. Thank god they were comfortable!
I was listening to a talk today and the guy said that you can’t have freedom and security at the same time. Either you’re free or you’re safe.
He mentioned Schopenhauer idea that “You can do what you want but you can’t want what you want,” as an attack on the idea of free will.
He and Spinoza didn’t buy into the idea of free will necessarily. Either you’re not free at all or can o my imagine that you are free, respectively, it seems.
I am curious about that, as I am very secure now, and for the most part, free to do what I want to do, which is usually what I want.
However, this comes after decades of giving up my freedom to work and save enough to get here.
I don’t really buy into this, if not going for the extreme thing that any law in the country you live is a restriction on your free will. Freedom inside laws while safety inside laws is possible at the same time
Sadly I think one can be both without freedom and without safety at the same time. Sadly it is too common in the world
Margom are nice outsoles, but if 2 pairs are lasting 6 years, you’re either rotating them amongst (a lot of) other shoes, not wearing them much overall, or don’t walk much in them. This is like when I read on a shoe blog about some.dude with mint 10 year old shoes, and it turns out he rotates it amongst 20 other pairs and basically just walks in them to.and from the car. 
