Why is President Tsai never seen introducing any legislation?

[Marco]

Nice and tough are not mutually exclusive.

[afterspivak]

Yeah but remember her first government gigs were (IIRC) on the Mainland Affairs Council (dealing with you-know-who) then representing Taiwan in the WTO. She’s a negotiator first.

Guy

[Charlie_Jack]

@afterspivak

The thing is I don’t believe Tsai is “nice.”

Personally, I think she’s nicer than Xi. As a self-centered big nose, I prefer the current arrangement to “one country, two systems.”

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

At least we don’t have incompetent systems like Afghanistan who is basically a US puppet who can’t govern for shit, and then takes all the money and flees when the US left.

[Charlie_Jack]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

At least we don’t have incompetent systems like Afghanistan who is basically a US puppet who can’t govern for shit, and then takes all the money and flees when the US left.

The way the ROC ended up on Taiwan looks kind of similar to your description, except that, as far as I know, there was no significant US troop presence in China at the time:

The USA reluctantly threw in on Chiang’s side and supplied him with $3 billion of aid over the next four years. Despite this, Chiang proved to be an incompetent commander-in-chief and poor political leader. Defeat after defeat occurred as a result of inept strategy, while corruption and a total failure to implement desperately needed land reform drove not just disgruntled peasants into the communist camp, but also thousands of defectors from his own army.

. . .

By the end of 1949 Chiang, two million Kuomintang refugees and China’s gold reserve had all crossed the 100 miles of the Formosa Strait and were holed up on the large island of Taiwan.

–David White, “Chiang Kai-Shek and the USA: Puppet and Puppeteer, but Which Was Which?” Open History website

[ThaiJuan]

@OysterOmelet

@ThaiJuan

It seems we need a Civics 101 refresher course if we are asking why executives aren’t legislating.

Naw man, we need Reading 101. Executives introduce legislation all the time.

No they don’t. Those are totally different branches of government, and for good reason. Presidents can only sign off on or veto legislation, never introduce it. Legislative makes laws. Judiciary interprets laws. Executive enforces laws. This is Civics 101 stuff.

[OysterOmelet]

@ThaiJuan

@OysterOmelet

@ThaiJuan

It seems we need a Civics 101 refresher course if we are asking why executives aren’t legislating.

Naw man, we need Reading 101. Executives introduce legislation all the time.

No they don’t. Those are totally different branches of government, and for good reason. Presidents can only sign off on or veto legislation, never introduce it. Legislative makes laws. Judiciary interprets laws. Executive enforces laws. This is Civics 101 stuff.

Who introduced Obamacare to Congressional committees before it was passed and signed?

[Charlie_Jack]

@ThaiJuan

@OysterOmelet

@ThaiJuan

It seems we need a Civics 101 refresher course if we are asking why executives aren’t legislating.

Naw man, we need Reading 101. Executives introduce legislation all the time.

No they don’t. Those are totally different branches of government, and for good reason. Presidents can only sign off on or veto legislation, never introduce it. Legislative makes laws. Judiciary interprets laws. Executive enforces laws. This is Civics 101 stuff.

From the website of the Legislative Yuan:

The first step in the legislative process is the proposal of bills. Regular bills may come from: the Executive Yuan, the Judicial Yuan, the Examination Yuan, the Control Yuan, members of the Legislative Yuan and party caucuses under the Organic Law of the Legislative Yuan. Budgetary bills, however, shall be prepared only by the Executive Yuan.

Legislative Yuan -Legislative Procedure

This is from a translation of Article 58 of the ROC Constitution, in pertinent part:

Statutory or budgetary bills or bills concerning martial law, amnesty, declaration of war, conclusion of peace or treaties, and other important affairs, all of which are to be submitted to the Legislative Yuan, as well as matters that are of common concern to the various Ministries and Commissions, shall be presented by the President and various Ministers and Chairmen of Commissions of the Executive Yuan to the Executive Yuan Council for decision.

Constitution of the Republic of China (Taiwan) - Article Search/Content Search Result - Laws & Regulations Database of The Republic of China (Taiwan)

This appears to link to the original Chinese version of Article 58:

中華民國憲法 條號查詢結果-全國法規資料庫

[OysterOmelet]

@ThaiJuan

No they don’t. Those are totally different branches of government, and for good reason. Presidents can only sign off on or veto legislation, never introduce it. Legislative makes laws. Judiciary interprets laws. Executive enforces laws. This is Civics 101 stuff.

72120.pdf

[OysterOmelet]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Oddly enough, a president in Germany is only second. The head of state is a Chancellor.

In Germany, the airport police came after me for not having my mask on.

[Marco]

@OysterOmelet

@Marco

In presidential systems. Not in parliamentary or hybrid systems.

Seems like they do in hybrid systems.
Why is President Tsai never seen introducing any legislation? - #31 by forformosa

@afterspivak

But it’s clear she works her a&& off in the background, mostly through the wonkish NDC, which formulates policy, which then goes to the Executive Yuan for tinkering, before going to the Legislative Yuan to be passed.

Why is President Tsai never seen introducing any legislation? - #23 by OysterOmelet

These are not considered a formal introduction. She can merely propose an idea…and parliament can take that, especially if it was a campaign promise, but formal legislation MUST be introduced in parliament.

[OysterOmelet]

@Marco

but formal legislation MUST be introduced in parliament.

By the Executive Yuan.

[Charlie_Jack]

@Marco

@OysterOmelet

@Marco

In presidential systems. Not in parliamentary or hybrid systems.

Seems like they do in hybrid systems.
Why is President Tsai never seen introducing any legislation? - #31 by forformosa

@afterspivak

But it’s clear she works her a&& off in the background, mostly through the wonkish NDC, which formulates policy, which then goes to the Executive Yuan for tinkering, before going to the Legislative Yuan to be passed.

Why is President Tsai never seen introducing any legislation? - #23 by OysterOmelet

These are not considered a formal introduction. She can merely propose an idea…and parliament can take that, especially if it was a campaign promise, but formal legislation MUST be introduced in parliament.

I guess it’s possible for a person of fastidious standards to consider this descriptive language on the Legislative Yuan’s website to be informal, but isn’t the Constitution sufficiently formal?

(The two government sources linked immediately above were quoted and linked elsewhere in the thread.)

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Problem with reading any laws on a website is you have no idea how they’re interpreted and they can be interpreted as many ways as there are stars in the universe. You can read past cases to give you an idea how something will be interpreted, however Taiwan, like many civil law countries, cannot use past cases or precedents as arguments for current interpretation.

[Charlie_Jack]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Problem with reading any laws on a website is you have no idea how they’re interpreted and they can be interpreted as many ways as there are stars in the universe. You can read past cases to give you an idea how something will be interpreted, however Taiwan, like many civil law countries, cannot use past cases or precedents as arguments for current interpretation.

That’s true in a lot of situations, and I agree for the most part, but I think the Legislative Yuan’s explanation looks reliable (even though it’s in English, which, given the differences between the two languages, might knock off, maybe, three to five percentage points in terms of confidence):

The first step in the legislative process is the proposal of bills. Regular bills may come from: the Executive Yuan, the Judicial Yuan, the Examination Yuan, the Control Yuan, members of the Legislative Yuan and party caucuses under the Organic Law of the Legislative Yuan. Budgetary bills, however, shall be prepared only by the Executive Yuan.

https://www.ly.gov.tw/EngPages/Detail.aspx?nodeid=335&pid=43232