Great info and update!
It would be impossible to request western countries to allow easier resumption of citizenship as they consider you a moron if you renounce in the first place. They figure you deserve what you get for renouncing. And to be honest I agree, why should someone who unequivocally said they dont want to be a citizen be allowed to just get it back again.
Not to mention that defeats the whole ‘spirit of the law’ , the fact that Taiwan wants you to not have two citizenships in the first place if you want theirs
you should renounce within one year. If you need more than one year to get citizenship and cannot resume your original citizenship, there are citizenshipless periods.
1 Like
the degree of hassle you need to resume your original citizenship is not the same for all western countries.
By the way, I thought western nationality laws are more gender equal than taiwanese one, but it was not until very recent or is still not. Ex. To resume your citizenship, UK requirs some condition to you, your father, your spouse, or your father in law. mother is not included.
Correct, which results in locally based non ethnic Chinese immigrants having to use , what I best describe as a 'cobbled together refugee Chinese immigration protocol from the 1950s ’ to become a local citizen. That’s what it feels like, that you are some kind of refugee of something !
You become a national and it’s a piece of paper and they give you the ARC like TARC card. Then you hang around with that and the NWOHR passport for one to five years and eventually they give you the ID and the full passport . If you manage to get the ID some local HHR offices might take your photo for promoting see so friendly to foreign immigrants…Blah blah.
Otherwise there’s no ceremony , test to pass or vow to give on becoming a new citizen (they just did the public photoshoot for the big face special new citizens ) . It’s just a load of painful paperwork , hoops to jump though and waiting around for years. The whole process really sucks and there has been zero thought put into it.
3 Likes
1)If im holding taiwan passport(NWHR)using it to enter taiwan is it easy to apply immediately for TARC?
2)how long can i get a taiwan national id.after using a TARC?
you mean NWOHR passport. And I linked an instruction how to get TARC below. It lists the circumstances where you can get TARC. If you fall within one of the circumstances and prepare all the required documents, usually it is straightforward. You may find some threads in this forum on not so straightforward cases too.
https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5475/5478/141465/141808/141954/
the minimum is one year.
https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5475/5478/141465/141808/141950/
If you were born in Taiwan with taiwanese mother and foreign father between 1980 Feb. 10 and 2000 Feb. 9, you may get taiwan national ID directly without getting TARC and wait for one or more years.
If you hold Canadian or US citizenship, I would not recommend renouncing that, no matter what you could gain in Taiwan.
For Taiwanese to even enter the US or Canada, you need to apply for what is a visa in all but name (Esta in US and ETA in Canada). There’s little chance of being denied entry if you’re an upstanding citizen, but you could be. The US also dictates what Canada is supposed to do with regards to customs and boarder control, so if the US decides to do something stupid, Canada will follow (the aforementioned visa being one of them).
Assuming you renounce your Canadian citizenship and don’t get it back, you could be subject to all sorts of nonsense. They will know you renounced your citizenship, and they could, should politics continue to heat up in North America, question you and deny you entry.
Assuming Taiwan maintains its “independence”, do you want to risk CBP accusing you of renouncing your citizenship to become a Chinese spy or some other nonsense? Hardly worth it.
I’m terrible with languages. Shamefully, I’d never learn well enough to become a citizen.
It doesn’t take much to not be an “upstanding citizen” in North America.
If you are politically controversial, especially in ways the government there disagree with, you’re no longer an upstanding citizen and could be denied entry over nothing (the reason of which they’d never tell you).
Or they just think you’re an immigration risk (having prior citizenship definitely qualifies) and you’re denied entry too.
In the US renouncing citizenship almost makes you an untermensch. In their mind “why would anyone renounce citizenship for such a great nation like the USA? We should make his or her life as hard as possible because maybe he/she’s a spy”. You renounce citizenship, and possess a single spent ammunition while visiting the USA, instant felony!
2 Likes
No worries, Taiwan will be bilingual with English as a national language by 2030!
Said sarcastically, of course. That’s another thread…
1 Like
Not being taxed globally is alone a good enough reason to renounce american citizenship.
1 Like
Which is no use.
They don’t want you, but they don’t care if their own citizens have multiple citizenships.
BTW, what happens with inheritance if you pass away and have multiple citizenships?
3 Likes
It’s a technicality, but most nations don’t want people with 2 citizenship. The US does not want dual citizenship either but when you naturalize they don’t make you provide proof of renunciation, they simply say that your other passports/citizenship are not recognized while in the US.
I want to ask if my grand father have a taiwan passport but during that time there is no so called taiwan national id.in his passport the old passport of 1970’s so how my mother can claim to have a taiwan id.
far as I know its parents only, grandparents don’t count. (not sure though)
Despite (statistically) being in the top 10% of earners in this country (as a foreign English teacher in a public school), I’d need to just about quadruple my income to start owing taxes in the US.
Now, for people making six figures (USD), I might be peeved by the taxes. But I’d probably not consider renouncing citizenship unless I was making over a million a year. At which point I’d be getting so many government handouts from the US I would still probably keep my citizenship
1 Like
To me the only things holding me back from committing to Taiwanese citizenship and renouncing my home country are:
-
If China takes over by force of if some doofus future president lets the CCP waltz in here and ruin everything.
-
Even as a bonafide, legal Taiwanese citizen I’ll still have to deal with language ostracism and racial ignorance every f’n day if my life… even when I’m an 阿貝 riding a haggard 50cc scooter wearing a bicycle helmet, baggy wifebeater, oversized gray khakis and 藍白拖鞋 with my legs spread open as wide as possible I’ll still be a 外國人.
4 Likes
For me, this isn’t really an issue.
Who cares what they think? I just wanna live my life. I don’t care what Agei thinks. Many Millennial Taiwanese are certainly fine with accepting a foreigner becoming Taiwanese anyways.
1 Like