Why 單于 should not be read as Shanyu, Chanyu, but as Danyu

Thought about whether to put this in Learning Chinese or Culture & History, but I suppose this is more about history.

Remember my thread about The /t/ → /ts/ → /s/ phenomenon across Sinitic languages?

I gave an example of 單, where all 3 pronunciations, Dan, San and Chan still exists in Mandarin. For years, I’ve been taught that legendary Hun tribal leaders’s title 單于 should be read as Shanyu or Chanyu.

I’m here to say it should be read as Danyu, or Tan-u in Taigi, instead. Because I think 單于 is a phonetic translation of the Altaic (Turkic, Tungusic), Mongolic word, Tengri, which means heaven, or divine.

The key lies with the pronunciation of 于. In classic dictionaries, 于 is described as 羽俱切 or 雲俱切, so it has a vowel component of /u/ or /i/. The consonant component of both 羽 or 雲 is 王, which all Old Chinese reconstruction points to /*ɢʷaŋ/, the /Gʷ/ later shifted to /hj/ in middle Chinese and got lost all together in Mandarin. So evidently 于 should sound close to gi or gu.

A few examples to support that can be found in Taigi (Taiwanese holo). The character 員 is said by classic dictionaries to sound like 王權切, or 于權切, it also sound like 圓. In Taigi, 員 can be read as guân. If you look to Japanese, one reading of 于 is ku.

So with that in mind, 單于 probably sounded more like Tan-gi or Tan-gu during the time the term was first translated, which is a close phonetic match for Tengri. Most Chinese sources said that the term 單于 meant “Great, Broad, Wide”, where 撐犁 (thinn-lê) would instead be the translation for Tengri. If that’s the case, 單于 would be a transcription for tenggis, which meant ocean, wide, broad.

I however think they had it mixed up. The term 孤塗單于 (Thinn-lê koo-thôo Tan-gî) would originally be Ogul Tengri (in Turkic form), which mean Son of Heaven.

Chinese people love to bring up the fact that Tang dynasty’s Tai-zong emperor was entitled 天可汗 (Heaven Qaghan) by the Göktürks, as if Tang Tai-zong was the only person to ever receive such a title (he wasn’t). 天可汗 would be Tengri Qaghan in Turk form.

Thoughts?

wow, I just found a much better source for this:

Part I
amritas.com/150131.htm#01272348

Part II
amritas.com/150131.htm#01282238

Part III
amritas.com/150131.htm#01290109

Part IV
amritas.com/150131.htm#01300240

Part V
amritas.com/150131.htm#01300925

In any case, I find it odd that in Mandarin, Chan reading for 單 seems to only exist for the word 單于. For everything else, 單 seems to be read as Dan, and Shan only exists for the last name 單. You would think if they kept a pronunciation specifically for the word 單于, that would at least be closer to what the word was supposed to sound like in the first place.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-968X.12321

The newest research pin points the languages of the Xiongnu and the Huns belonged to the Yeniseian language family. Meaning the ruling ethnic group of the two historical entities were most likely the same people.

That would also mean the Huns came from the Dené-Yeniseian family group that stretched from the Americas (like Navajo) all the way to the Central Siberia (Ket) in the present day. The Huns themselves once conquered much of Eurasia, from Northern China to Eastern Europe and to South Asia.