Why so much hatred?

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Hey TC,

You just reminded me of my last years Christmas poem.

Give me a good debunking make it clean and quick,
Turn my nerves to Jello with your caustic untamed wit.

Spare me not a friendly tone nor offer me your solace,
Keep your pistols cocked my man lest I slash your bullocks.

The players hard and unrepentant strike their lethal blows,
Duck and weave all you like, they’ll call you twinkle toes.

It’s the IP forum, and it’s not for the faint hearted,
But for those of us who hack it, who loathe just being out smarted,
Trial by fire, water, and IP post can leave us smitten or retarded.

The players chose their handles as if they were bestowed,
Some whimsical, some fearsome, some satirical and over blown.

There’s Cold Front armed with intellect unmatched on this here forum,
Who’ll send a chill up your spine, and leave you feeling like a moron.

Then of course there’s Rascal, who will never say die,
Obtuse, and unrepentant, it’s hard to catch him in a lie.

Tigerman leaps on the scene, that guy can form a thought,
Such logic, passion, and idealism could never be taught.

Mother Teresa stands by those who need such a disposition,
It’s hard to sidetrack this guy from his spiritual mission.

Fred Smith is not just any man, he’s an everyman at best,
He took gumboots to passion, and laid that beast to rest.

Imyourbiggestfan must be a reflexive in projection,
But he can argue economics with flair and introspection.

Blueface six, six, six, lurks by every post,
With wit, charm and audacity turning protagonists to toast.

Right then I’m out of here goodwill can fester in ones chest,
Soon I’ll be wishing you Merry Christmas, cheers and all the best!

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Muchaman:
I don’t feel that Maposquid is being so anecdotal as you might assume. The Economist has a recent articel on this:
economist.com/world/na/displaySt … id=3446265

David Horowitaz at www.frontpagemag.com has numerous examples of faculty and professors abusing their role as educators to indoctrinate their students and kill debate.

I’ll get back to you on the socialized versus free market healthcare in a few days. I need to fact check and get some freee time.

Tainancowboy:
I agree with your comments completely. I find liberals in Taiwan to be quite intolerable with their insults.

I follow Jim Geraghty’s advice and go on the attack versus Moore and the far-left wing establishment that is making them unelectable.(That statement can not be considered an insult when the presidency, and a majority in the governorships, senate, and HOR are occupied by republican(s))
nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200412030932.asp

CYA
Okami

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TC, you have shown yourself to be free of extreme partisanship on other posts so here I must say you’ve done yourself a disservice.

[quote]Do you left wing ‘liberals’ actually read what you post?

I am constantly amazed by the pretentious insults, the condescending arrogance and the endless cliche’s used to reply to topics posted.[/quote]

This can be said of people on both sides, no?

You speak for everyone on both sides.

I have been called a leftwing socialist despite believing wholeheartely in free trade and capitilism. I have been called an elitist by a lawyer, an epicure, a man with several academic books published, and so on. I have repeatedly been called anti-American despite my frequent defense of your country and its culture. I have been called left-wing despite supporting gun ownership, free trade, the war in Iraq, and despite being one of the first to criticize Michael Moore on Forumosa.

[quote]And then there are the semantics/dissemblers. Immediately they seize upon some semantic error to dis-credit the post. Never mind that they have no comment on what the post actualy says. Hollow victory, eh?
And then there are the ones who simply post lies. Flat-out lies. These yahoo’s are funny also. Sad, but funny. They always get caught. And they always do it again.[/quote]

Lots of these characters on the other side too.

As for my post above, it was obvious I was ribbing people with the comments that maybe Republicans aren’t going to university in as great of numbers as Democrats. I stand by the statements regarding right-wing paranoia, however, and also the tongue lashing at conservatives who wish to play victim now. The Economist article just confirms my revulsion at the sheer hypocracy of some on the right. Horowitz wants to force universities to diversify. This is a scream. It’s affirmative acton for the right.

I’m not suggesting that the right is evil or always wrong but when they are we all (or at least those of us not deformed by partisanship) should get together in condemnation. As I said, I was one of the few (but not the only one) on the liberal side to condemn Michael Moore. But guess what? There hasn’t been a single poster on the right to condemn the excesses of Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter despite being asked repeatedly to take a stand.

I agree. But start to hold your own side up to the same standards as you do others and you will help to make this board a better place to post.

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I think most of the Left’s hatred is simply the result of mental illness.

[quote]
Florida Kerry supporters meet for group therapy

Published Thursday, December 2, 2004 at 6:00 pm
by Sean Salai

Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in
South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared their emotions with licensed mental health counselors.
The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health
Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health
counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST).

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Well said, Mucha Man. Though it’s a bit sad for it to be necessary for you to point out what’s bleedin’ obvious to anyone with half a brain.

This right-wing victimization treacle is every bit as pathetic as the tripe spewed by those on the left. Same shit, different flavour. Yes, Michael Moore is a partisan wacko nutbar, and yes, those who give creedence to his inanity are not the brightest of bulbs, and yes, it is frightening just how many of those dim bulbs there are out there, and yes, the professors who censure Republican students in their classes are astonishingly narrow-minded, and yes, the United Palestinian Front, or whatever they’re called, who target Jewish students and/or Israel-supporters for abuse and splash posters of mutilated babies proclaiming that they are what Jews eat for breakfast, are fascist in every sense of the word save for the fact that they don’t have an actual state with which to unleash even more chaos upon the world…

But the parade of right wing numb-skullery is just as disturbing, if not more so. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, ad nauseum, are every bit as distant from reason as Mr. Moore et al. They are censorious, throw temper tantrums, make wild, unsupported accusations, and hold so tightly and predictably to their party line that you know what they are going to say before it comes out of their mouths.

To echo Mucha Man…get real.

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Fox…Good poem. You have a keen eye and a talented rap…to me, that sounds like a rap lyric. Urban poetry.

Okami…thanks.

Mucha Man -
I am just commenting on what I see. I try to limit my rants. My inspiration for this has been a number of things; of which I named but a few.
If what I posted does not apply to you…then you are a sterling example of the fact that we all have much more in common than we may like to admit. Personally, I think that comes from just having common sense. Something that seems to be in short supply as the air gets rarified by ‘over-education.’ And by the by, I am not anti-intellectual/education, I have 2 post-grads myself. But the university experience does seem to slowly erode common sense from many a persons head.
I agree that both sides should be held to standards of logic, truth and debate by presentation of well-sourced material. There are wacko web-sites on both sides. MPS recently showed me that a web-site I used as one of my sourcing sites was of questionalr reputation. Even I can make mistakes in my haste. Thankfully his sharp eye and knowledge allowed me to see the mistake.
I appreciate your response.

p.s. - Ann Coulter has skinny legs. I also like Laura Ingraham.
As to Rush Limbaugh - I am constanly amazed by the absolute fear he strikes in the hearts of some people. Again, they haven’t a clue as to what he is all about, but they have been told so often that they must hate him so they mindlessly mimic their leaders. It amazes me.
I also like Michael Medved. He is a sharp and eloquent guy.
Thank G-d for the internet and streaming audio.

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You can’t be serious about Rush Limbaugh.

Hillary Clinton:

[quote]My view on this, though, is pretty simple. We had eight years of prosperity because we paid down our debt and we got rid of our deficit. We hit a rough spot, and it was turned into a terrible bump because of the attacks of September 11.

If we hadn’t passed the big tax cut last spring, that I believe undermined our fiscal responsibility and our ability to deal with this new threat of terrorism, we wouldn’t be in the fix we’re in today. But the fact is, we are.

And now we’ve got to figure out what’s the best way out of it.[/quote]

Rush Limbaugh:

He’s not scary. He’s a spinning, partisan boob. What’s scary is the size of his audience. They actually believe the drivel he vomits.

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2001_11_11_archive.html

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I agree Republicans ought seek help for their sad victim complex. We’re all out to get you guys. We’re snobs, we’re more intellectual, we’re wealthier, we’re sarcastic and cynical, we’re sensible, we’re secular, we’re sensitive, we’re open, we take it up the bum.

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Why am I not surprised? :laughing:

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Hey, I left myself wide open for that one. :astonished:

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[quote=“Mucha (Muzha) Man”]
Does anyone else see a problem with anecdotes like the above? Well, here’s what I see is wrong with it:

America, as we have seen in recent elections is almost evenly divided between Republican and democratic party supporters. This should translate into half the student body supporting each party. half of any given class then should be composed of republican supporters. See what I’m getting at? [/quote]

huh? the halls of ivy league schools are full of kids from rich liberal households(mainly from new england). you’re just making numbers up now.

[quote]
The above story is pure right wing paranoia and an egregious claim to victim status from a group that one, is hardly marginalized, and two, is all too contemptuous of the very notion of victimhood.[/quote]

at most major us universities, 80-90% of the faculty are liberals. at ivy league universities, most of the students are liberal.

i’m not sure why you would choose to challenge something so obvious.

yes, we all know that prestigious degrees make someone smart. bush has a better academic resume than either gore or kerry. imagine that. :laughing:

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I agree Republicans ought seek help for their sad victim complex. We’re all out to get you guys. We’re snobs, we’re more intellectual, we’re wealthier, we’re sarcastic and cynical, we’re sensible, we’re secular, we’re sensitive, we’re open, we take it up the bum.[/quote]
I vote for Democrats being mentally ill, too.
bocaratonnews.com/index.php? … cal%20News

[quote]
Florida Kerry supporters meet for group therapy
Voters shout epithets at President Bush during first PEST counseling session

Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in
South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared their emotions with licensed mental health counselors.

The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST).

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[quote=“Mucha (Muzha) Man”]

Since when can half a group be cowed in such a fashion? Well, it’s possible if there really is something to the claim that Republican are just not as educated as Democratic supporters. In which case it is entirely possible that they find themselves outnumbered in the halls of higher education. But no, it must be something else.[/quote]

Not as educated? Yes, a majority of people in academia are left-slanted. However, dynamic institutions will have a good mixture of left- and right-wing faculties. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and numerous state community colleges will hire faculty from all political persuasions. Of course, doing

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[quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“Mucha (Muzha) (Muzha) Man”]
Mucha (Muzha) Man also wrote: There hasn’t been a single poster on the right to condemn the excesses of Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter despite being asked repeatedly to take a stand.[/quote]

Bullshit. I am not a fan of Moore on the left, but I am definitely not a fan of Limbaugh, O

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Muchaman,

We aren’t talking about affirmitive action for university, but diversity of thought. You can have as many ethnicities as you want, but if they all think the same how does this promote the new ideas, and refining new and old ideas? There’s a difference between ethnic diversity and intellectual diversity.

The other problem is professors using their power to browbeat their students into conforming to their political views. This is a problem, especially when political views have little to do with the class.

Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Co are commentators and should be seen as such. They are not news reporters. Bringing them into this debate is a diversion. The next point is consider this, Have you ever read Ann Coulter? If so, where? I’ve heard more about her than I ever read till Fred Smith showed me where I can catch some of her columns. She’s a best selling author yet rarely is she ever seen in print. Rush Limbaugh became popular of all things on talk radio. Do you know how annoying it is to listen to talk radio? He must have hit some nerve and he gives a voice to those who have none. He’s not reporting the news either, but commenting on it. Last I checked he’s not making movies or being seated next to any former presidents.

Times up at the internet cafe,
Okami

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Which Bush are you talking about? I don’t know too much about Gore’s school days (article at washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy … -2000Mar18 gives some background indicating Gore had good IQ and SAT scores but bad grades), but Clinton was pretty much a standout no matter what yardstick you use, even if he “only” studied law at Yale and thus had no Harvard grades.

Coming from a single-parent home (father dead in a car accident 3 months before he was born), by age 16 you’ve got Clinton’s shaking JFK’s hand as part of the Boys Nation delegation of kids selected from all over the country. By being a band geek and through studying hard, he pulled together the scholarship money to go to Georgetown – money that his family otherwise would not have had. (Their foreign service program, which he graduated from, was and probably still is tops in the U.S.) By the time he graduated from Georgetown, he’d earned a Rhodes Scholar spot in Oxford.

Following Oxford, he then did the Yale Law School thing, but it would be hard to say that Bush did “better” in any way. I don’t have the full history of Yale law school’s vague grading system (“honors” and “passes” given, no grades at all during the first semester, no class rankings, etc.), but so far it would appear that the only valid part of your sentence is that Bush “scored better” at Harvard than Clinton did – now WHAT Bush was scoring (dope, chicks, etc.) can remain a debate point for future presidential biographers. However, I somehow doubt Yale law school’s grading system is any kind of a black mark against Clinton – Yale continues to be ranked higher than Harvard’s law school in many rankings. In contrast to Bush and Gore, Clinton further stands out as a guy who got into top universities on his own legs.

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So, you basically haven’t actually read any of the articles that tear her facts to pieces, then. Looks like you, like her, need to go do some further research before you spout on about things of which you have no knowledge. :wanker:

Please report back when you wish to contribute something on which you have a modicum of knowledge.

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“dupe”, which (since it was a reply to mofo) could mean he’s duplicitous or he’s been duped by the dupocrats.

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So, you basically haven’t actually read any of the articles that tear her facts to pieces, then. Looks like you, like her, need to go do some further research before you spout on about things of which you have no knowledge. :wanker:

Please report back when you wish to contribute something on which you have a modicum of knowledge.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve read some of the “articles”, and they were exactly as I portrayed them – fast and loose with the lies, just like you are.

As usual, you haven’t managed to pull your head out of your ass before you opened your mouth and started blabbing, mofogangrene. Prove it, asswipe.

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MaPoSquid – You have asserted that the only factual problems with Ann Coulter’s book are very minor. You have asserted that you have read some of the “articles”. Since you purport to defend Coulter’s work by stating that the only criticism out there is minor, then I suppose you wouldn’t mind actually backing up your posts by citing to some of those articles.

Come on, just a little intellectual honesty would go a long way. If you didn’t actually read any of the articles or don’t know what you’re talking about, you can just admit it and I’ll think a lot more of you. I will presume that you have not actually read any such articles and have not actually looked into this issue at all until you post some – such, unfortunately, is the state of your credibility with me.

Also, as you’ve accused me of lying, please show me where I have done so! Be sure to do a good job of researching that attack on me. Chop-chop, my good man! Do note that in my post regarding the educational accomplishments of Clinton, Gore and Bush, I was able to provide a link to an article that shed light on Gore’s poor marks in school. Perhaps you can see that quoting and linking to adverse authority in an accurate manner is not impossible.