Not yet, just future planning
I apply in April
They will send HHR a letter and you can pick it up whenever you want or they can send it to you. At the foot of that paper it should say if you have renounced or if they have accepted your dual nationality. Keep it safe, as it is quite crucial (at least for the dual nationality people) when you make it to the 365th day and want to apply for the residence permit at NIA.
More of the same, with kind words for @Fuzzy_Barbecue
The Turton article linked above is a great read, even as it does not explicitly deal with gaining citizenship in Taiwan (it does deal with the Kafka-esque process of getting a marriage, which was legalized in Taiwan, actually recognized in Taiwan!).
I felt myself getting furious just reading it, never mind experiencing it . . .
Guy
A very well written article. He said that all things I wanted to say but he did it in a way that I couldnāt.
What are the odds that TECO/MOFA did this to someone whoās an expert writer and a regular contributor to Taipei Times. This is karma.
Anyways, I hope something good comes out of this.
Thereās two cases now and I know there will be more. I recall encountering a post on a foreignerās group few months ago ( I canāt find it anymore). There was a gold card holder asking about how to marry a migrant worker in Taiwan.
By the way, what he said in the article is true. TECO these days is asking for parentās marriage certificate, just to authenticate single certificates of migrant workers wanting to marry in Taiwan.
That is just another form of harrassment.
It also makes absolutely no sense.
Guy
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! They are really shooting themselves in the foot.
Hereās a story. At my old workplace (an excellent well funded public institution), I heard from an older foreign colleague who had been there for years. In the early days, before I arrived, any mail (say a package sent from the US) that had an English / romanized address on it simply didnāt arrive. It was consistent, it was systematic. My colleague started to inquire about what was happening to mail which arrived at that institution. Apparently there was one guy in that office who immediate took any package with English or romanization on it and stamped RETURN TO SENDER.
It took some pleading, and perhaps some yelling, to get this practice to change. Thankfully it did.
Now jump to the present and the awful discrimination we are reading about in this thread. Some similar banging on drums will be needed to get the similarly racist person who is making these rules to back down. Itād be nice to get them fired but thatās not easy to do in the ROC bureaucracy, especially the senior people who are unapologetic Han supremacists in practice, as the examples above show.
These guys retaining control as gatekeepers is Bad News for Taiwan. This must be made clear to the authorities, now.
Guy
How so?
by adding senseless and not stated anywhere documentary proofs only for certain categories of immigrants, whom would be btw the most likely to integrate and settle down and help the dwindling local populace.
Seriously tell me whatās the purpose of parentsā marriage certificate? So many cases where a child can be born out of wedlock. Completely out of touch with reality.
Iām not arguing that the policy isnāt stupid. It is stupid. But itās good to know the possible perspectives that culminate in these decisions. They might see, as the Japanese do that a shrinking population is less of an issue than foreigners integrating.
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These guys retaining control as gatekeepers
Gatekeeping is rampant and never in line with official policies of any public or private institution here.
Iām currently in Australia for my sisterās wedding but have got some errands done ready for our return back (bureaucracy and foreigner unfriendliness is a large reason for the decision to ditch Taiwan⦠Iām taking a Taiwanese citizen with me.)
In one day in Australia we: opened a joint bank (one foreigner, one citizen) account online in 10mins, got 2 prepaid SIM cards that can be converted to plans, fixed email addresses and phone numbers of another bank account (in person at the branch, about 20 minutes), reset the online portal for paying taxes and checking super (pension ish) balances, applied for a Medicare card for the foreigner of us (NHI equivalent) however has not been approved yet, renewed an expired drivers licence and changed the address of another, got quotes for private health insurance, and got about 10 documents certified by a justice of the peace. ALL of this was easy and it was SO refreshing after nearly 4 years of being told ānoā for absolutely no reason. Not one person tried to stop us from going about our business. Every. Single. Person. Did the job theyāre paid to do without question.
Opening the joint account was actually HARDER for me as a citizen than my partner who is Taiwanese because he already uses that bank and I never have.
Getting just one of those things done in Taiwan could have taken half a day
ALL of this was easy and it was SO refreshing after nearly 4 years of being told ānoā for absolutely no reason.
Iām pleased that this is working out for you.
It sounds like the bureaucracy in Australia is working far better than the bureaucracy in Canada, where massive delays of all kinds are now the norm . . . ![]()
Guy
After living overseas for a while and speaking to other foreigners I wouldnāt say Australia has much bureaucracy at all compared to most of the world.
There are processes and requirements but everything is systematic and spelled out clearly. Itās a very black and white place, nothing in Australian lives in the grey area. A document issued by any state/territory/federal government would never be refused by any other state/territory/federal agency.
The biggest issue is that Australian government services tend to be slow. Hold times can be an hour + on the off chance you need human help (most services are available online with well laid out websites) and visa processing times years but there are usually work arounds (such as bridging visas and interim medicare cards) while things a prodding along slowly.
I can tell you straight up that if ANY employee (public or private) in Australia decided to make up their own rules rather than follow ACTUAL rules they wouldnāt have a job for very long whereas in Taiwan those people get promoted.
Yes, arbitrary decision making by gatekeepers does not inspire great confidence, does it.
It seems to me that that whole naturalization / immigration bureaucracy in Taiwan (which is inexplicably separate from the typically excellent National Immigration Agency!) is one of the worst parts of government here. FFS let the NIA handle this as they would (at least in Taipei City) almost certainly be more professional than the horrible folks handling these matters now.
Guy
Seriously tell me whatās the purpose of parentsā marriage certificate? So many cases where a child can be born out of wedlock. Completely out of touch with reality.
This should elaborate more on the whole āparent marriage certificateā nonsense. I just wrote this today.
https://medium.com/@SamTaiwan/taiwan-doesnt-want-migrant-workers-to-marry-d802106b0947
Also, on the topic of migrant workers, this video was posted today by Taiwanplus.
https://twitter.com/taiwanplusnews/status/1630894829478768642?s=20
She is an acquaintance of my wife and had asked me for help with the delivery of food and medicine, which her dorm wasnāt providing while they kept her locked in a room. Once I realized how they were treating her, I posted it on Twitter, and thankfully, Taiwanplus reached out to her and interviewed her. Meanwhile, a member of the Executive Yuan human rights board contacted me, and I provided them with all the details of the broker. They said they were going to investigate them. āUnacceptableā was the word they used! All in all, it was a pretty good ending for the case of this girl.
Can you read?
Yes I can. ![]()
on the topic of migrant workers, this video was posted today by Taiwanplus
https://twitter.com/taiwanplusnews/status/1630894829478768642
Great reporting by Bing Wang! Hopefully this can help get things changed, like yesterday.
Guy
Hi,
@frank_hnd, @Fuzzy_Barbecue, or others in here
I want to know after you got your Taiwan ID, do any of you get letter from government regarding military service?
Like this letter

My born year is 76, so this year Iām 36, and next year is 37.
Btw, after got Taiwan ID there will be exemption for 1 year, right?
Just weird got this letter from them, letās see if need to do conscription or not.
Thanks in advance.

