2024 August Dual Nationality Petition Open Discussion

Same for me when I renounced. It was a one way trip. To be cursed with a choice of permanency. Rather soul cleansing really. To make a choice that is not always as final as it seems at the time.

A few foreigners are going to be sitting here a long time waiting for a change in renunciation law wondering what tomorrow brings.

I could not wait and do not regret it one iota lol
There’s always a path of return. I set an example. What I’ve done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed by some and not by others. Some will never comprehend but others like @Fuzzy_Barbecue understand as he made that same choice. He could have remained in Germany and become a citizen there but chose Taiwan for his future.

Some times you need to be prepared to make a sacrifice to grasp your dream. But if you are not sure which way to go you will flounder and do nothing. Or maybe start a petition with a tear drop in your eye hoping your dream will come to fruition.

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Nahh. It’s reversible. It’s just a huge hassle. It’s not really the rules, it’s more the practicality and risk involved.

I can do it, it’s mostly the job that gets in the way. But I might be making some changes in the future and will try again.

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That is fine. We all have our own thoughts. Wanting people to listen, you can’t just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you’ll notice you’ve got their strict attention.

Meanwhile outside of forumosa there are FB and Line citizenship groups where people wanting to get on with their applications and needing advice or counseling are not waiting for the wishy washy who only want ROC citizenship on their terms. Life goes on.

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I certainly know a few people that I am not naming that this would apply to.

But I found that also telling them hey, you can do this. I’ve done it, I can show you how etc… is pretty attention grabbing.

90% of the time, it works every time.

Real courage is taking the plunge. If you truly believe in Taiwan, you won’t hesitate to let go of the safety net. Commitment means standing tall with one flag—are you ready to make that leap?

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Nope.

I got plans and I intend to execute on those plans. For me, NWOHR is in practise, indistinguishable from an APRC. So I am not rushing yet. The goal is HHR.

Other things are simply more important right now. And these are the cards I am dealt. I shall play them.

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If you’re waiting for the “perfect” moment, just remember that true commitment isn’t about timing; it’s about being ready to stand up for what you believe in, no matter the cost. Why wait to show Taiwan you’re all in? LOL

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I’m not waiting for the perfect moment. I just simply have more important things to do. Since there is no rush for me at the moment, I shall execute the plans that are in place.

The TARC just doesn’t change anything for me. The HHR does, but the TARC does not.

With limited time and limited financial resources. I’m not in a position to blow things up at the moment.

Always some unbelievers. I’ve taken quite of lot of bets on my nationality both here in Taiwan and overseas. Best one was US$1200 from a Texan in Manila at a poker table.

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Certainly won’t disagree.

This is true. But only the ones who chose not to renounce then whine and moan about how unfair renunciation is and that Taiwanese can hold multiple citizenships.

( Often their own children have the same privilege )

My eyes gently weep for those dear souls. I’m a fucking T shirt at best

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Sounded like a good idea in 1998

Just like the T-shirt says, “Life without Jim would be boring,” life without taking that leap—without fully embracing Taiwan—might feel safer, but where’s the excitement in that?

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Crying is good. It means you have a soul and feelings. Some feelings can be rather useful, like anger or frusration, which makes you get off your sorry arse to do something about a situation you are not happy about.

That’s how this great petition started. Finally people are taking action about this. Hopefully we get the 5,000 and get a response from government.

Feck me I should have waited. Let’s see 1998 to now… not very long
only 26 trips around the sun.

I respect your intiative and resolve.

We all make choices in pursuit of our goals, some harder than others. I too have and will make many sacrifices to enjoy life on my terms! However, for me it is less about following a dream and more about other complications that would arise from such action that would create unresolvable issues. To be clear as well, I am new to Taiwan and do not have my heart set on becoming a citizen here, so my dreams are not contingent on such. It was more interest and potential long-term benefit than any necessity. I have only been here like 2 months. :slight_smile: Additionally, I have lived in Philippines for years and wanted citizenship just to be able to carry a gun so my motives are much more frivolous than yours lol. At this time especially, I would be satisfied with foreigner status in my context as nothing I need or want as of now requires any status for me here.

I am certainly interested in lobbying Canada to change this law. I personally know many lawyers and a few members of parliament. This needs to change, but also countries that require such renouncing should also be the target of change and I am commending everyone involved here for such a push. Especially those who would experience no real impact to their own lives.

You seem awesome, but I am still in sincere doubt due to any clear lack of substantiation and I have been looking so hard lol

I assume then you are Canadian? I don’t believe I read it anywhere previously.

Honestly, it seems claiming like mental illness would be the best route i’ve concluded so far, but again, I have some personal reasons why renouncing and losing Canadian status would be too problematic and contrary to following my dreams at this time. There are many countries I can grab a second passport, but it’s more about where I would want to become a new citizen, and if Taiwan, I could understand Satellite TV choosing to make such a decision. One must follow their heart or potentially live with regret.

The response may not be what some people hope for. Then there will be more gnashing of teeth and wailing.

I should’ve waited too. I was enjoying my soul cleansing but soon realised that my wallet was cleansed even more during the resumption process lol.

Appreciate your perspective and honesty. It’s true that everyone has different motives and priorities, especially when you’re new to a place. But remember, citizenship isn’t just about convenience or a legal status—it’s about where you choose to invest your future and heart. Lobbying for change is admirable, but real change starts with the choices we make for ourselves. Whether you’re here for two months or two decades, the deeper your roots, the stronger your commitment. Taiwan will be waiting if your priorities shift from convenience to connection.

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