My question was to Justin. If he’s trying to educate.foreigners, I’d argue that’s a waste of time. We’re not the ones who need educating.
I’m not new. First came to Taiwan in 2006.
Newbie 
Justin isn’t here to educate anyone specifically. He’s Taiwanese ( now ) living in Australia. He did things that were said to be not possible and posted about how naturalizing process can be done even from outside of Taiwan.
Oh and by the way, a lot of foreigners need education on the renunciation process as many were and are still being told it is impossible to naturalize at all here. I’ve helped many since I naturalized in 1998. One of the people I helped started a thread on it on Forumosa in 2004. He renounced his US citizenship.
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I’m sure Justin can speak for himself. How is any of that relevant to the campaign?
I suggest you share that information in other threads.
You’ve made one good suggestion. Let’s keep that going!
I’m sure he can. Sometimes Justin and I may speak for each other. We also chat off site.
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It’s been shared so much already lol Anyway nap time. Came to office at 7am but my day is done now. Sunny today will take a late afternoon stroll in the cool air.
Ah sadly it’s not well known about.
I fear it might not even make the required 5000 signatures.
Has anyone promoted it at foreign or local run establishments?
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If there are any international students on the forum, maybe printing and posting the petition on a student notice board would help. Use a QR code to send people directly to the petition.
Let’s brainstorm some more ideas on how to promote the petition?
e.g. Do we have any YouTubers on the forum with a good following? Maybe a short message about the petition at the end of your next video with a QR code link to the petition.
I know we still have time, but the votes have slowed down. Let’s do something about it.
I will ask my wife, if she can pass on the link to her friends at Filipino dorms. Don’t know if they’d be interested though.
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I don’t know why those in dorms would sign when they are not included?
Well the petition really also should ask to drop the income requirement for those not married to ROC citizens. It should just be based on 5 years of residency on an ARC as it is now but with no income requirement.
Some people claim it is in injustice with renunciation. This is imho an incorrect view. An injustice is when you have been wronged. No one is being wronged by being given a choice to renounce or not.
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The petition is what it is and I’m sure each and everyone of us would do something different if we created it ourselves.
No need to argue over semantics, but instead try to get as many signatures as possible to start the conversation.
In the Enforcement Rules of the Nationality Act there is a clause that exempts an APRC holder from needing to submit any financial documents.
For those who already acquired an Alien Permanent Resident Certificate, their naturalization applications need not include a certificate stated in Subparagraph 3 of Paragraph 1 of the preceding Article.
So for a dependent of a foreigner they could essentially apply for APRC first which doesn’t require the financial proof and then apply for naturalization. It does seem abit of an unnecessary process though and there is a potential opportunity to have it changed if anyone wanted to write a comment directly on the issue to MOI who has already drafted some changes to the Enforcement Rules of the Nationality Act and could make additional changes before the final version: https://join.gov.tw/policies/detail/dbb9aeaa-f8bd-48f3-97db-d5e7dd39579b
The rules also don’t explicitly state that an income is needed but rather the below, so not sure what exactly they accept for “professional skills” as it’s also abit vague for the APRC application.
- Documents proving that the applicant possesses sufficient property or professional skills, which enable him or her to be self-reliant. This does not apply to applicants referred to in Subparagraph 1 of Paragraph 1 of Article 4 of this Act, and to the unmarried minors under the age of 18 naturalizing in conjunction with applicants applying pursuant to Paragraph 2 of Article 4 and Article 7 of this Act.
The petition seem to have stalled somewhat. Better be a big push to get more folks to sign especially Taiwanese or it won’t get the 5000.
Honestly there’s
A) relatively few foreign residents on APRC here I guess that can apply and it’s relevant to (for instance many of those Canadians and Americans we see as resident here , of which there are supposedly large numbers ,are probably dual nationals or simply students )
B) Few foreign residents have the language skills to deals with this quite awkward petition signup process. Chinese is hard.
(C) Japanese don’t need to renounce and they are the biggest foreign resident group that this may have applied to in Taiwan (not including the obvious block on most SEA nationals)
D) Hkers have an easier route thru ‘overseas chinese’
E) Malaysians also largely apply thru ‘chinese’ route’ I guess
F) Taiwanese by and large don’t care . Fair enough it doesn’t affect 99% of people here.
These are the reasons I suspect for low signup do far.
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Yet many people are here on ARC’s and not APRC’s. Why exclude them?
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I think the reason is you normally need to prove financial assets / income for the APRC application, so MOI exempt it for natualization under the assumption its already been proven.
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As Japanese need to do a renunciation application which is refused then they get dual citizenship. So this petition doesn’t change much for them.
Malaysians are not allowed dual citizenship and just because they maybe ethnic Chinese does not make it any easier.
HK’ers have actually found it quite hard to move here now.
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Just saw one of the more convincing arguments I’ve come across from one of the petition signers. 
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I have some connections with Taichung AmCham, and there’s a happy hour tomorrow, so I can spread the word. Not sure if they would be willing to send anything out officially. It’s already been posted in the Line group.
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I think you can own half which makes sense.
You know a person who didn’t have an income and got US citizenship. Kind of like how you became a Taiwanese citizen and yet can still be Australian. Yep, you’re an expert on immigration law for sure! Did she have assets? A spouse? US immigration law in incredibly complicated. I know lawyers who work in immigration law and over the years have probably spoken to dozens of people who work in US embassies with people trying to get to the US through various means. There is nothing clear cut about US immigration law. You have to make your best case and pray to every god that the person processing your case doesn’t simply deny it cuz they feel like it. But if you have tons of assets, work a high paying job, have family members, no criminal record, and haven’t been denied a visa/green card/citizenship before, you’re more likely to win citizenship
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Reminders are good! 
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