And which tree is that? The tree of public opinion? Since same sex marriage was made legal, Taiwan has benefited from the recognition that comes along with being the first country in Asia to do so. I’m sure since it’s passing many have seen the benefit and as a result would change their tune.
It’s not the same thing since Taiwanese are considered Chinese Nationals so they can move back, work, buy property. This petition has nothing to do with Chinese and the fears that it would lead to mass immigration from China are unfounded.
I don’t live in the past nor I’m using that as a reason. There are plenty of reasons. Perhaps you could list some you feel would be the most compelling instead of just criticizing.
Sure it does. Public opinion can change very quickly.
Because it was one of the main comments you see from Taiwanese so needs to be addressed. The target of this campaign should be educating those who don’t know.
Fairness. Choice. Opportunity for mixed families. Ease for multi-national companies. To align with the claim that Taiwan is foreigner friendly. Permanency for those who have been in Taiwan long term without the loss of their roots
Great you can save that for a thread for Australians who want to renounce. We’re talking about Taiwanese law here and not renouncing.
Bring up an example of how public opinion can change? No thanks I think that’s relevant. Taiwanese are not self-interested people. Some do care about the welfare of others. Maybe just enough to enact some change.
From the youtube video mentioned up thread and other discussions on social media.
It’s not the same as renouncing. It is more like declaring non mainland residency since Taiwanese can give up household registration too when they move abroad and don’t want to be Taiwan tax residents anymore yet it doesn’t mean they renounced citizenship.
Implying is in your head. This is an ongoing discussion that you jumped into.
My position is very clear. There are common misconceptions we have to address to gain more support. That involves educating the public about the challenges of being forced to renounce or spending your life on an APRC. Many of the comments I’ve seen on social media assume there’s good reason for it yet can’t identify what that reason is.
Are you American? The adversity you’re trying to push seems like you are.
I never said Taiwanese were self-interested. At least not in the way Americans are. Otherwise they would not have NHI or laobao.
In my opinion Taiwan strikes the perfect balance of capitalism/self-interest for growth, and support of its citizens who need it.
Naturalisation without renunciation is about non-citizens which is a much harder pill to swallow for a non-immigrant country.
Then please don’t respond to me like I’m an enemy
Yes but it’s similar.
So they lose their right of abode in the mainland… same as everyone who renounces their citizenship. But as I mentioned this has no affect on the preposed changes
It’s about as similar as a Canadian who is a non resident of Canada. Or a Taiwanese who gave up household registration because they live in the US. In all cases, it takes a simple trip back to resume their household registration / residency.
Renouncing is different and you have to go through a lengthy process to re-acquire citizenship.
Article 9 of Chinese nationality law does not recognize giving up household registration as giving up citizenship.
@Malasang88 would like to have dual citizenship. We get it
A petition was launched to drop renunciation which afaik everyone here has supported. Not much more to say really. No one is forced to do anything. I wasn’t forced to naturalize, I chose to. Others choose not to.
Now what will the end result of this petition be? This is the question.
If the answer is that the renunciation requirement will remain in place what will people do? Threaten to leave Taiwan and take their families and business elsewhere? Or maybe make that choice to go ahead and naturalize?
I would have liked to have had being allowed dual citizenship. Alas it was not to be.
Some may want to take heed of what @Marco wrote above. There is a lot of resistance from many people in Taiwan to changing the law. What incentive can these foreigners give the MOI and the Minister of the Interior to change the law. Claiming that Taiwanese are allowed dual citizenship in some countries is not the way. Claiming that " but my country allows this or that " is not the way
Maybe showing the MOI how not having HHR as ARC holders affects the lives of immigrants here. Hopefully one day renunciation is no longer required.
This refers to the laws of the ‘homeland’ which is irrelevant in the laws of citizenship.
I’ve done it.
I’ve done this. Wasn’t lengthy. This also references the laws of someone’s original citizenship which is irrelevant and is unlikely to convince any born and bred Taiwanese
My response was to your original post saying that Chinese citizens have to go through a similar renunciation process to become Taiwanese. My point is that the process is similar to a Taiwanese who gives up household registration. It does not mean they renounced. The nationality law on both sides do not recognize them as renouncing Chinese citizenship.
You just need a travel permit to live in mainland China, takes about a week to apply for. Same with HK and Macau people. You’re also free to move household registration around.
I found this odd too. Both Lukas and Xiaofei did their videos in English. I don’t get this. Probably it’s got something to do with the way foreigners Youtube channels work.
In any event, I tend to think it would be far more effective if we could get one of these done in at least Mandarin.
That said, these two video generated about 1,500 signatures at a time we were slowing down dramatically. I am very grateful to both of them.
@Kusdream or Sona Eyambe (鎖吶) could probably put us over the top by themselves.
But we can do this with a better ground game. I have signed up hundreds of people just by asking as I go through my daily life. Family, friends, and colleagues are the place to start. Follow up with them after a few days. Offer to help if they have trouble. Ask them to spread the word in line groups etc. It’s amazingly easy with just a little effort.
