LOLZ poster saying people are being racist and xenophobes then calls people who may disagree with the petition cave dwellers…
Way to go …
I didn’t see any racist comments on xiaofei’s you tube video no one mentioned any ones race. I wonder who the real racist is though
Did you read the comments?
I didn’t see a single racist or xenophobic comment. Maybe I missed something?
Because Taiwanese were never gonna be convinced with “please I need solar panels hence give me dual citizenship” or “why this house I never inspected has problems?”. We need better advocates.
Yep and talk about heads in the sand.
Just like democrats… everyone that disagrees with them are racist xenophobic bigots. Now I’m seeing that logic being applied to the petition.
He actually mentioned a bunch of other points as @foc pointed out.
I find it funny he wants to convince people to allow dual citizenship while preaching to them in a foreign language many will not understand.
Surely he has enough Chinese language skills to have done the you tube in Chinese.
Yes, that is the reason Australia changed the law to allow dual citizenship and renunciation. Yo encourage those that already contributed to Australia to return and keep contributing. Rather than contributing elsewhere.
Trouble is, that’s a sovereign decision. According to the ROC constitution its sovereignty lies with its people. We need its people to believe that citizenship without renunciation is good for Taiwan/ROC.
As much as you may dislike it, myself, @comfy123 and @anon24369109 and @Fuzzy_Barbecue are the people. We are a small part of the group you need to convince and also most likely to be on your side.
And I’m confident in saying that all of use agree that naturalisation without renunciation is good for Taiwan.
But as I mentioned we are a small group. And this does not affect born and bred Taiwanese
I left Taiwan because it became comparatively ‘too hard’. Citizenship without renunciation doesn’t solve this. My spouse is born and bred Taiwanese and still find Australia easier and he does not speak English fluently and can only read basic English.
Australia is still easier.
So maybe the born and bred Taiwanese would rather their country be easier for themselves before worrying about pesky immigrants.
I don’t know, all I know is it is a problem that affects a tiny amout of people in the scheme of things so it’s an uphill battle. Not an unworthy one, but an uphill one
I agree with this statement. In particular advocates who can address the common misunderstandings such as the fact that many do not know it’s actually easier for Chinese who marry Taiwanese to obtain a Taiwan ID/passport than other nationalities. The justification I’ve consistently seen is that Taiwanese immigration needs to be strict because of China. But we all know the current renunciation requirement has nothing to do with Chinese.
Secondly, advocates should focus on the real life stories impacting foreigners who have lived here for decades, have families that are citizens but unable to become citizens themselves. Or likewise children who were born and raised here and have no other home yet forced to jump through hoops to stay here upon adulthood or go to a country they barely know.
If gay marriage can be passed in Taiwan despite a relatively low homosexual population, then there’s no reason why enough Taiwanese would not support a cause that does not directly impact them. We need to reach those people first.
Assuming that Taiwanese are never going to care about issues that don’t directly impact them is self defeatist. Aboriginals have increasingly made gains in this society despite being a small minority. If they can do it, we can do it too.
Part of a grass roots movement is building a network of advocates who will support the cause until you have enough critical mass to persuade those who are unsure or uninformed. We should not waste time on those who are trying to sabotage for whatever selfish reasons or those who will never be convinced.
Yet over a million Australian citizens, many who immigrated to Australia and got citizenship there, have left to live elsewhere.
I applaud the efforts of @Fuzzy_Barbecue and admire what he has been through. See my previous point on critical mass and not wasting time on a few with bad intentions.
He may get more views doing videos in English. And Taiwan wants to be a bilingual country.
It’s actually not. They are required to live here for more years than other foreigners before they can her HHR and ID cards. The common misunderstanding is all yours.
Also as you have already been told, the children of APRC holders when they turn 18 also are granted APRC’s now. Law was changed already.
So another misconception of yours.
Who is trying to sabotage the petition? Please do tell. What have these so called saboteurs done pray tell. Did they start a petition to keep the renunciation requirement?
Have they gone around telling people not to help with the petition as you have? You are the foreigner telling Taiwanese not to help with the petition.
Yep, encouragement doesn’t force decision making 
Just a little incentive can go a long way.
Me and you are different. It made it easy for me to have the option to return to Taiwan whenever I want.
It made it easy for you to enter the Philippines visa free.
Each to their own and anyone who doesn’t use the law to their advantage is either silly or ignorant
This petition is concerning the renunciation requirement not the number of years. Chinese do not have to renounce.
APRC is a consolation prize to naturalization.
You by continuing to defend backwards policy.
Your passport makes no difference to me. You are not the target audience. Millions of educated Taiwanese are. You could’ve been an advocate by explaining the challenges we go through. You’ve chosen to be a hindrance. We don’t need that type of negative energy.
Not very nice of you. We all have our struggles.
How was @anon24369109 any different to you when he renounced knowing (at that time) he’d never get it back? - That takes some real backbone that many (including you) don’t have.
He supports the petition as he has already said.
And… what? You’re going to tell those millions of people that they are all ignorant?
He does… but you don’t like to listen to his story. Maybe he could write a book on it.
Of course his passport and citizenship matter to you, you need it, but are unwilling to get it.
@Fuzzy_Barbecue has done more than most anyone to bring visibility to the issue. I admire that. I don’t have respect for those that try to tear down others.
If you don’t understand what, then you shouldn’t be here.
No I don’t like listening to the same thing over and over again when it’s not relevant. Poagao already wrote a book. It was great.
You lie. I have not defended the policy. Quote me where I have said anything other than than wanting to have dual citizenship without renunciation on this forum in the last 20 years.
Maybe. But not the right views
I am a man who married a Taiwanese man and then naturalised.
And if you remember correctly the referendum regarding same sex marriage failed. It is only legal now due to a constitutional interpretation. The government also dragged out the passing of the law until the day before the deadline. The majority of Taiwanese who voted were against same-sex marriage. There is no constitutional interpretation possible (as far as I am aware) regarding the naturalisation of foreigners so you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Same sex-marriage was legal in Taiwan before Australia. I’m not crying poor me.
We all face adversity. It’s part of life.
They have to forfeit their household registration which in this niche circumstance is basically the same thing as renouncing.
Well the claim will be even if they lose the HHR ID and PRC passport they can get it back by moving back to China. Just like others who can resume citizenship or get a PR visa which others here could do.
It’s so unfair we have that option though. 
They can also naturalize if they choose to do so. In fact many have and have posted you tube video’s about it.
By that logic everyone can. @Malasang88 too (like anyone) can get his citizenship back by getting a visa and going back to his original country as an immigrant. Just the same as we had to reapply to get our Australian citizenship back… he too can apply to get his back after becoming eligible.
“If you want to return to Australia as a permanent resident, you can apply for a Resident Return visa or a visa that suits your circumstances.”
