Thank you so much. I’ll forward it to my own guanxi.
What’s funny is the Germans that previously became Taiwanese before the change can now get their German citizenship back 
Oh, exactly. Merkel flung the doors wide open, and now Germany is stuck with a mess it can’t clean up. Handing out citizenship like candy just means you’re permanently stuck with criminals, extremists, and people who have zero interest in actually being German. Once they’ve got that passport, good luck deporting them, now they’re your problem forever.
At least Australia is starting to get it. They’re actively working on laws to make it easier to strip citizenship from people who turn around and betray the country. If someone pledges allegiance and then decides they want to commit terror attacks or threaten to murder patients, why should they keep the privilege of being Australian? Germany should take notes before it’s too late.
There is no easy way to get it back. One would have to go through the same process as any foreigner. Settle in Germany with a work permit, etc pp.
No not at all. There is an easier path for them.
Steps in English
- Download and Complete the Application Form
• Access and download the correct application form (Application EB for those 16 and older, Application EBK for those under 16).
• Fill out the form clearly, carefully, completely, and in German.
2. Compile the Necessary Documents
• Gather all required documents as officially or notarized certified copies.
• Include documents proving your ancestry and identity (e.g., birth certificates, certificates of descent, marriage certificates, family registers, and any foreign personal documents).
• Provide evidence of your previous German citizenship (e.g., German personal documents like a passport or identity card, naturalization certificates, citizenship certificates, or extracts from the German registration register).
• Include any additional helpful documents, such as proof of other citizenships, name change certificates, or custody documents (if applicable).
3. Submit the Application Through the German Diplomatic Mission
• Submit your naturalization application in person at your local German diplomatic mission (or at your local city or district administration if you live in Germany).
• The diplomatic mission will review your documents and then forward your application, along with their statement, to the Federal Administrative Office.
4. Wait for a Response
• You will receive an acknowledgment of receipt that includes a file number from the Federal Administrative Office.
• Use this file number in all further correspondence.
• Wait for any additional requests for documents or information.
5. Take the Naturalization Test
• Once your application meets all the other requirements, you will be registered for the naturalization test.
• You will receive an invitation (via your local diplomatic mission) with all the necessary details, such as the test date and location.
6. Receive the Naturalization Certificate
• After processing your application and the payment of any fees, your naturalization certificate will be sent to your local German diplomatic mission.
• You will then be informed about the payment methods and the procedure for obtaining your certificate.
99% will be rejected. Fulfilling the requirement ’ Vorliegen eines öffentlichen Interesses’ is not possible for most. One must prove that it is in the ‘Interest for Germany’, which is basically same as Taiwan’s requirement for super important professional nobel prize winners (or famous sportsmen). There are finished lawsuit decisions, so the legal challenge is exhausted.
e.g. one is important CEO of a large company that is important for German trade interests.
Personal reasons are not accepted. Even like wanting to take care of elderly parents, which will otherwise be a burden left for the German state.
They even state that in the “FAQ”-document:
Even if you meet the minimum requirements mentioned above, naturalization without taking up residence in Germany will only take place in exceptional cases if, taking all circumstances into account, there is also an additional state interest in your naturalization. It will therefore be examined whether your naturalization from abroad is also advantageous for Germany from a general political, economic and cultural perspective. Since former Germans can generally take up residence in Germany again according to Section 38 Paragraph 2 of the Act on the Residence, Employment and Integration of Foreigners in the Federal Territory (Residence Act) and can be naturalized in Germany in a timely manner, naturalization from abroad is only possible in rare exceptional cases.
It’s a bit like Taiwan having special rules for Nobel Prize winners and such…
It is to be noted that it is still easier to get a residence permit as a former citizen:
(1) A former German shall be
- issued a settlement permit if he or she had been habitually resident in the Federal territory for five years before losing his or her German citizenship,
- issued a residence permit if he or she had been habitually resident in the Federal territory for at least one year before losing his or her German citizenship.
The application for a residence permit pursuant to sentence 1 must be submitted within six months of learning of the loss of German citizenship. Section 81 paragraph 3 applies accordingly.
So ironically, if a German plans to leave Taiwan, they could try naturalizing in Taiwan, then applying for a settlement permit in Germany, move there and then naturalize again (not sure about the exact requirements, but the time to naturalize might also be shorter as a former German…).
We will see. The naturalization law change in Germany might also have direct implications on renunciation for Germans in Taiwan who are naturalizing.
In short; Germans might not be able to renounce anymore having only NWOHR status.
The first Germans who naturalize after the law change are still waiting for the official decision from Germany on that. The German embassy in Taiwan even stopped accepting renunciations for a few months (which was legally problematic).
I think this year we will know the answer to that.
…which would be a perfect example on how absurd the renunciation law in Taiwan is: Previously, Germans could renounce their citizenship when they were in the progress of obtaining another one. As Germany officially ended the single-nationality principle, this option has been legally retired (as it wouldn’t be necessary anymore in the eyes of the lawmakers because people could just become dual-citizens). Now people can only renounce their German citizenship if they’re already dual-citizen.
If that change would now (almost accidentally) lead to Germans being able to become Taiwanese citizens without renouncing that would really be an absurd consequence. (Personally, I wouldn’t complain) - but are those outcomes really what Taiwan intends with their citizenship laws…?
It is always remarkable for me to see MIGRANTS in Taiwan dumping hard onto MIGRANTS in other contexts.
It’s almost like some people have some kind of deep hatred of . . . well perhaps some day they can figure this messed up and incoherent position themselves.
Guy
I think some might see themselves as 1st world ‘expats’ as oppossed to ‘migrants’.
Although, with that said I have witnessed some migrant cohorts in Australia lobby hard against migration policies such as special visa arrangements for Hong Kong people, because they feel it is unfair because they didn’t have it so easy etc.
Oh, there’s a huge difference. I didn’t crawl out of some crime/war-ridden hellhole, claim asylum in Taiwan, and then demand special treatment while refusing to integrate. I came here legally, followed the rules, and… most importantly… I’m not out committing crimes.
The data, which sparked widespread debate, shows that last year, 41 percent of all crime suspects were foreigners, or persons without German citizenship. Foreigners in German represent only 15 percent of the population.
When I first saw this I thought they were saying “we want domino’s pizza.”
However, absolute disgrace. They are students who came to Australia to study. But instead… they simply visa hop from student visa to student visa and then finally they apply for a protection visa as the application is only $20aud and they can live and work while it is being processed. (While making it take longer for genuine applicants)
Wow maybe it says something about how broken the visa system is for students that they’re forced to do that because going the “genuine” path is going to take longer and get them deported and maybe we should look into why its broken and see what can be done to fix it instead of being mediocre assholes online and cheer for them getting deported
But what do I know? 
Not a lot it seems. Australia does not have a broken immigration system.
There is no right to be able to immigrate to another country. Students are not immigrants they are on temporary visa’s. For those who complete their studies there is a legal pathway to becoming a permenent resident.
These people are trying to game the system is all. No one is suggesting those on student visa’s get deported.
Perhaps. But I presume they could potentially learn to use apostrophes correctly, which would be an improvement on some of the things I read on this site.
Guy
Good thing he’s not an English teacher…
Good thing he’s not dumping on students.
Wait, that was exactly what he was doing. Now I see the irony.
Guy
Oh, come on. These “students” aren’t here to study, they’re simply scamming the government by using the student visa as a glorified work permit. It’s the same predictable cycle: they enroll in some bottom-of-the-barrel culinary course, never attend a single class, and instead grind away at 40-hour workweeks for less than minimum wage, all while pretending to be in “education.”
Then, right before their sham course ends, they magically develop a passion for a business certificate II, a useless qualification so worthless it makes a high school elective look like Harvard Law. And the best part? They enroll before their culinary course even finishes (so the results aren’t released) because they’re not here for an education, they’re just visa farming.
Some even bring their entire extended family under “dependent” visas, because what’s better than one person gaming the system? A whole clan milking it dry.
And when even that loophole starts closing? Boom. Fake protection visa. Because for just $20 AUD, why not roll the dice? With thousands of “students” clogging the system with bogus claims, it can take years for the government to reject them, years of easy work, easy money, and zero consequences.
God forbid people come to a country and work and not live off on welfare