They didn’t hit the corners. They ploughed right through the entire buildings, crashing through all of the exterior and interior walls, massive missiles weighing god knows how many tons, flying at several hundred miles per hours, fully laden with explosive jet fuel which they spewed through the entire several floors of the building that were taken out in an instant, causing a massive fireball that blew out ever more of the interior and led to millions of gallons of burning fuel rapidly flowing down through the entire building, causing the internal structure to be gutted in minutes, so it could no longer support the massive weight and collapsed straight down, in the direction that gravity generally pulls large objects that are no longer able to support themselves.[/quote]
You might want to be carefull there MT. Bin Laden? Maybe, Fully Laden? Maybe not. Take another look at the passenger loadings, and where the plane was heading. It was nowhere near fully laden.
The WTC towers however, were designed to withstand the impact of a fully laden 707, which would have been significantly greater than either jet that crashed into the towers. The fact that both came down is quite remarkable.
They didn’t hit the corners. They ploughed right through the entire buildings, crashing through all of the exterior and interior walls, massive missiles weighing god knows how many tons, flying at several hundred miles per hours, fully laden with explosive jet fuel which they spewed through the entire several floors of the building that were taken out in an instant, causing a massive fireball that blew out ever more of the interior and led to millions of gallons of burning fuel rapidly flowing down through the entire building, causing the internal structure to be gutted in minutes, so it could no longer support the massive weight and collapsed straight down, in the direction that gravity generally pulls large objects that are no longer able to support themselves.[/quote]
You might want to be carefull there MT. Bin Laden? Maybe, Fully Laden? Maybe not. Take another look at the passenger loadings, and where the plane was heading. It was nowhere near fully laden.
The WTC towers however, were designed to withstand the impact of a fully laden 707, which would have been significantly greater than either jet that crashed into the towers. The fact that both came down is quite remarkable.[/quote]
I thought it well documented that the planes had just re-fuelled.
Why does it have to be something more than what we saw on T.V.? Why isn’t it credible to people that the buildings needed more than friggin aeroplanes flying into them?
Imaniou, as I wrote before, the Twin Towers were designed to collapse in the way they did, the Empire State Building, I’ll wager, has a different design structure. And what kind of plane? A microlight or a DC-10?
It wasn’t magic, and it wasn’t Hollywood, maybe the ‘real’ truth is to difficult for us to accept anymore. Maybe ‘aliens’ did it?
Pointing out co-incidences about what happened ‘Ooh, Bush’s cousin ate a hotdog outside the building,’ ‘ooh, blah blah random link blah blah,’ it’s all guff. Unprovable guff. I have more faith in the reality of the Bermuda Triangle than I do of there being bombs under the Twin Towers.
They didn’t hit the corners. They ploughed right through the entire buildings, crashing through all of the exterior and interior walls, massive missiles weighing god knows how many tons, flying at several hundred miles per hours, fully laden with explosive jet fuel which they spewed through the entire several floors of the building that were taken out in an instant, causing a massive fireball that blew out ever more of the interior and led to millions of gallons of burning fuel rapidly flowing down through the entire building, causing the internal structure to be gutted in minutes, so it could no longer support the massive weight and collapsed straight down, in the direction that gravity generally pulls large objects that are no longer able to support themselves.[/quote]
You might want to be carefull there MT. Bin Laden? Maybe, Fully Laden? Maybe not. Take another look at the passenger loadings, and where the plane was heading. It was nowhere near fully laden.
The WTC towers however, were designed to withstand the impact of a fully laden 707, which would have been significantly greater than either jet that crashed into the towers. The fact that both came down is quite remarkable.[/quote]
I thought it well documented that the planes had just re-fuelled.[/quote]
Indeed, but aircraft are fuelled according to the passenger & cargo load, and the expected duration of the flight. A 5-6 hr flight is a fraction of what a 767 is capable of.
i’m reading this thread and it makes me think : “damn, those terrorists were so clever, americans are so dumb to believe in aliens, scientology, conspiracy theories… no wonder bin laden blew out the twin towers so easily!” :loco:
I guess it would be nice to know WTF Silverstein was talking about then. Besides saying “Pull it” he used the words “We decided to bring the building down” etc.
I love that we can harp on about ‘atrocities’ commited by certain world leaders against their people, but in the same breath criticize others for believing it to be possible in the United States.
History is littered with accounts of governments commiting or allowing horrendous acts aginst their on people in order to bring about support for war, budgets, policy changes, etc., including such acts commited by the US government, opr at least contemplated by it. It’s ridiculous to state that it wouldn’t happen when clearly it does.
Sure, no problem: it’s called a massive exploding fireball of jet fuel.[/quote]
The melting point of steel is around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). Jet fuel burns at 800°F to 1500°F.
And just in case you believe the chemists are involved in this conspiracy, here are quotes from people who were actually in the towers when they were hit.
[quote]Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: “We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that’s when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.”
Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: “The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I’m covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I’m digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway.”
Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: “Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That’s how I got so burned.” [/quote]
How could something that was supposedly hot enough to have melted steel and reduced concrete to powder, not have killed these people? Firefighters were able to get all the way up to the 78th floor (what a hike, though!) and saw only small fires as most of the jet fuel was used up upon the impact and didn’t affect the internal fires by much.
Urban renewal? No. But did you miss the massive anger Americans felt when they thought it was Muslim terrorists who did this? And how many of them were all for attacking the countries these people supposedly came from? I don’t think it was for urban renewal, but rather to serve as a catylst for war. The number of oil-rich countries on Bush’s hit list is more than suspicious considering the amount of money some of the members of his staff make on this very market.
And what exactly hit the Pentagon? And where were the bodies in the plane crash in Pennsylvania?
Nobody claims that structural steel melted. At 1000°F though the load-bearing strength of structural steel halves. That’s the cause-effect that contributed to catastrophic structural failure.
Besides, it would have been the perfect crime which alone is proof enough for me that no one in the Bush administration was involved.
Let’s see, despite all the evidence to the contrary, you believe that our government was instrumental in attacking the World Trade Center and Pentagon so that we could get our forces “bogged down” in Iraq to the benefit of the opposition which may lead to loss of power in the midterm elections? And what exactly would be the point of all this? to control Iraq’s oil? get the American people behind an effort to create a civilizational conflict with the Muslim world? to forge a new American Empire? Well, my goodness, we certainly have done a piss poor job of grabbing all the oil haven’t we?
