African-Americans Cite Lessons from Asian-Americans on Overcoming Oppressors

Hopefully, this will get African-Americans to look inward and de-prioritize social justice.

They note that Asian-Americans have the lowest rates of political participation (they vote the least) yet the highest incomes.

He notices that Asians have their own business, their own banks, their own hospitals. I would add that Chinatown wanted their own schools and didn’t want to be desegregated.

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Boyce Watkins, who has a PhD in finance, cites being big on family, education, saving, building businesses, investing. Instead of “begging white people to do the right thing,” they should be building wealth.

I think Asians should share their recipes to empower other minorities to cut themselves off from the system created by the oppressors.

Interesting post. I was traveling last week with two economists I used to work with in Portugal and Galicia. We were discussing why the fentanyl crisis in British Columbia primarily impacts Indigenous people and Caucasians, but not Asians. One is liberal and Asian, the other conservative. Unlike many hyper-partisan Canadians on this forum who only seem to want to be civil to their own kind, I have an eclectic group of friends and acquaintances.

The liberal economist referenced Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s famous 1965 report on the African-American family. Moynihan argued that dislocated family networks were the root cause of social dislocation in the Black community. He noted that immigrant groups with unusually strong family bonds tended to progress more rapidly. The Moynihan Report was officially titled The Negro Family: The Case for National Action. In Chapter II, Moynihan explicitly writes: “A number of immigrant groups were characterized by unusually strong family bonds; these groups have characteristically progressed more rapidly than others.” He uses this to contrast with the breakdown of family structure in the Black community, which he identifies as the core issue. The core argument of the report is that dislocated family networks (high rates of absent fathers, illegitimacy, matriarchal structures) are driving social and economic problems in the urban Black community.

Extending that logic, strong family structures likely explain why Asian communities have largely avoided the fentanyl crisis and achieved higher incomes.

Building those kinds of networks won’t happen overnight, especially as society increasingly normalizes staying single into your 40s and 50s with purple hair and fifty cats. It’ll be interesting to see the long-term social implications of that shift.

As an African American I am shocked at the victim mentality that many seem to leech off of in the US.

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Me surprised :scream:

Africa is a big continent. :wink:

Lots of white folk live there too. Just ask the Boers.

I’d say I’m mixed race just like Obama is mixed race.

You’re Muslim?

Hell no.

My mother is an African immigrant to the United States.

My wife is an Asian immigrant to the United States.

Different cultures create different realities

Zing :joy:

After having lived around the world and coming to the us at 18 I was shocked at how little value was given to Family.

Granted I was in a purple county but the culture and college all seemed to have the message: family is just friends you didn’t choose.

It was such a shock…especially in countries where the only social net is indeed family…among other things

Gosh, I wonder what institutionalized evil practice that transpired for generations caused a “breakdown of family structure in the Black community” by forcibly separating families?

Surely it wasn’t slavery, and surely the intentional fracturing of black families for multiple generations didn’t have any long-lasting negative effects still visible today!

/S

So close…

1 - black slaves we’re taught Christianity and many of the ones who are doing well happen to be devout Christians

2 - blacks started losing it in the 1970s when their women were given section 8 housing and black men were replaced by the government. “Managed poverty” as it were

Are you South African? What do you mean you only came to the US when you were 18?

Oh them being Christian/not being Christian has nothing to do with the problem. Wild implications though. Even a cursory look into history shows plenty of civilizations around the world having fared just fine without Christianity, but this makes for some classic Christian Nationalist fodder, regardless.

We seem to be on different planets ideologically, not surprisingly. I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t. Not every wild take needs a reaction.

If esteemed poster is actually a South African colonist descendant playing house as an actual African…well, well, well. I think I see where the disconnect has been this whole time.

Yes, and I’m sure the Irish would say the same thing about scrubbing floors 13 hours a day or cleaning industrial machines in industrial Britain back in the day. Drove them to drink and spend family money on the Guinness. Or the generations of Sicilian family networks that were damaged beyond repair because of the million plus European white slaves that were forced into slavery by the Barbary pirates.

There should prioritize Social justice, just look at Asian hate, why should blacks accept it like some Asians do?

I believe what OysterOmelette is getting at, via Lee Kuan Yew, is that one cannot eat human rights. Far too often, the African American community, much like many post-colonial African states and indigenous groups, has embraced a victim mentality that treats historical grievances and demands for social justice as substitutes for genuine economic development. In contrast, high-performing Asian societies – Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan – prioritized economic growth, strong family structures, and a cultural obsession with education and achievement. Chinese and Jewish cultures share this emphasis on producing generations of engineers, doctors, and professionals. While I reject the more extreme ‘Asian values’ arguments of Kishore Mahbubani and believe human rights matter, it is undeniable that many African and post-colonial elites have allowed colonial-era resentments to become a permanent crutch. This prevents them from confronting their own cultural and institutional failures. History is not destiny; results come from choices, not excuses.

Taiwan has indeed advanced human rights, particularly under the DPP, from its role in ending martial law to becoming the first Asian nation to legalize same-sex marriage. However, this progressive record has come at the cost of weaker law and order. Unlike Singapore’s tightly controlled meritocracy, Taiwan under Lee Teng-hui allowed ‘black gold’ corruption and Chinese gang influence to flourish. Such disorder would have been unthinkable under Singapore’s Internal Security Act or other more authoritarian Asian regimes that prioritized safety and stability. Foreigners in Singapore benefit from a genuinely open environment – easy access to credit, straightforward business formation, and protection from local strong-arming. In contrast, many self-proclaimed democratic systems in the region remain far more Byzantine and hostile to outsiders. True development requires both liberty and order; Taiwan shows the danger of pursuing one without the other.

White people are leeches too.

Immigrants are self-selected for ambition. That includes African- and Caribbean immigrants, who are prosperous.

Descendants of slaves have no generational wealth.

Good luck toward getting any admission that generational wealth - or the lack thereof - is a massive factor at play here.

Typical standard-issue inability to think outside of one’s own circumstances. I’m sure they think everyone was gifted a nice pair of boots with sturdy, reliable bootstraps from birth.

In baseball terms: they don’t even realize they were simply lucky to be born on third base. Instead they have really convinced themselves they hit a triple.

If this is all just a simulation or some sort of reincarnation cycle, I couldn’t think of more appropriate targets to respawn in an absolutely broken family, a warzone, or in third world squalor resultant from colonialism and the failed states left in its wake. Then and only then would it click, pathetically.

If we’re leeches, why are you Asians so desperate to live in our countries? Your people risk everything to flee your own culture for the benefits of ours. Admit it: you need us.