Indeed, I just received an email from MOICA asking for NT$278 (they presumably just processed the application for a new card I made while at immigration this afternoon).
I’ll respond at some point to complain and act confused about why they’re asking me to pay again because immigration forced me to update to the new number.
After that they can stick their card, and if they respond I’ll tell them that - I’m definitely not paying for it again. I used to use it before I had NHI to order masks during the rationing period, but since getting an NHI card I don’t think I’ve used it even once.
Maybe the Digital Citizen Certificate is more useful for Taiwanese citizens, but since we can’t do very much as foreigners here the alien version is pretty useless IMO.
even for citizens is rather useless, so complicated to use with card readers, drivers which don’t work anymore, outdated interfaces and systems which are not supported anymore by modern OSs and browsers.
Furthermore, very few services use this certificate for authentication purposes tbh.
The only thing I actively use my card for every month is checking my pension contributions have been paid. I have printed my exit entry dates once too to show my company for tax purposes.
Downside is that every government agency website needs their own software to run.
On the PC I use the card reader on has now 5 programs running in the background.
At least they only use a few MB of RAM and no CPU.
How do other countries manage to offer internet services without forcing users to install all this stuff, and why does Taiwan do it differently? I’ve only ever encountered this stuff in Taiwan and China.
In Germany some banks have browser plugins that do this functionality. But it is just a finicky to get it to work. And some want you to use Internet Explorer and install ActiveX plugin, which is worse.
I wish they would have a website where you login with your Digital Certificate and register your hardware keys, that optionally can be used instead to login on all those websites.
Though in fairness that’s actually a major undertaking, considering there’s hundreds of different govt sites, all on different platforms, developed and maintained by different teams with different budgets etc etc.
I mean, you’re not wrong, but there’s unfortunately not a “one-size fits all” MFA implementation that can be easily laid over the top of everything.
We’re converging toward 首頁- 中華民國內政部行動自然人憑證系統 now (Alien CDC holders should be able to activate it — if not let me know). Expect more public and private sector services to adopt it soon — much more convenient than plastic cards.
I lived in HK until last year, and they have implemented an amazing service (I am Smart+) for digital identity with 2 levels of authentication, the strongest one requires a quick visit to any post office or service unit to verify your HKID. Once done, u can log in to any gov website via qr, public utilities and via open AI also private biz (although no one did while I was there).
That would be awesome for TW too! maybe using Ibon or famiport for ID/A(P)RC verification for added convenience.
Some feedback. Today I brought my card reader and was able to sing up without issues.
The English language website is nice. Though some error messages popups are always in Chinese because they come from the backend.
Then I went to statistics page to see which services are supported. I went to MyData website to try the new login as I already had signed up there before. It did not accept my ID.
I could still login using the one time password sent to my email.
There are some things to iron out.
Another suggestion for MyData website (and other government services) is some setting where I can disable certain login methods for my account. e.g. while a onetime password to email is convenient, it passes the burden of security completely to the user and their email provider . So other very secure logins become theater when the account can be breached by less secure methods.
same error if u use the phone number+NHI card since phone numbers for us dirty foreigners cannot be registered under the ARC. something however @fifieldt is working on!