I like your spit, V. I’ll harden up for it like a man.
But what if I said “Cha Ching”?
(If you’re from New Orleans and remember the "Cha Ching Commericals from Rally’s Hamburgers, then you’ll get the joke.)
I didn’t see anything racist at all about Rosie’s statements. I can’t stand her, BTW, but, she didn’t make any racist comment. She was speaking about a news story that was being played all over the world. The news story was about Danny DeVito. She simply stated that even in China one could hear on the news, “ching chong ching chong Danny DeVito ching chong…”. Her simple point was that the news story had international appeal/interest.
She made no comments regarding the nature, quality, abilities or intelligence of Chinese people. If she could speak Chinese, I suppose she would have made some statement re the news story in Chinese. I doubt that Rosie knows how to speak Chinese. Thus, were she sitting in a hotel room in Beijing watching a Chinese news station report on the Danny DeVito story, the story likely would have sounded to her like… “ching chong ching chong Danny DeVito ching chong…”.
What’s the big deal? She wasn’t commenting on the Chinese or on the Chinese language. She was commenting on the popularity of the news story re Danny DeVito.
Well, ummm, how can I point out the ovbious to me lovely friend…She said “ching chong ching chong…” Instead of saying:
您今天看見了Danny Devito 在電視嗎? 他出自己的洋相。 
It is because “ching chong” is a common taunt used against Americans of Chinese descent to illustrate that they are foriegn. This hinders in the assimilation process if the general population have a dehumanized view of the culture of origin for a whole segment of Asian population.
It is because “ching chong” is a common taunt used against Americans of Chinese descent to illustrate that they are foreign. This hinders in the assimilation process if the general population have a dehumanized view of the culture of origin for a whole segment of Asian population.[/quote]
Get in line then. No one is assimilated in America that’s the problem.
This reminds me of an overseas chinese from the Philippines who related to me that when he was a boy, the Filipino kids would say " Ching Ching Chang Ching Chong Chang" to his face to make fun of the fact that he is Chinese. Occassionally there would be groups of sneering Filipinos doing the “Ching Ching Chang Chong” when a Chinese or Filipino Chinese passes by. Now you have that she-cow Rosie doing it. Yes she is a comedian, but there should still be a limit. She has to realize that people might pick up on it and do the ching-chong on some Chinese kid because they think it’s okay and it’s funny.
Some of you Forumosans are saying it’s too PC and “Harden the f’ck up”. Unless you have experienced something like this yourself, you do not have the right to tell people to “Harden the f’ck up”. If someone does something similar to your kid, let’s see you “Harden the f’ck up”. It’s not about being PC or not PC, but rather about respect - which I guess some of you find difficult to comprehend.
R. Daneel Olivaw, Erhu and DragonBones: It’s not insensitive? It’s not in bad taste? So you’re saying it’s in good taste? So if your kid goes up to a Chinese kid and start saying “ching chong”, you’d tell the parents “It’s not insensitive. It’s not in bad taste. Grow a thicker skin”?
But I guess a KKK member will think what another KKK member is doing is alright - so it doesn’t really surprise me at all.
I dunno, Red Frog. I think I can comprehend the complaint. I’m just disagreeing with it. Can you get your head around that? Or do you think everyone who disagrees with your point of view is unable to comprehend?
Get real. 
Just wanted to point out that my Chinese room mate often says that when he hears Cantonese he says it sounds like “Ching Chong Chang” to him… Does that make him racist?
Oh and by the way. Whoever says this is a slur against Americans of Chinese descent. If this is the case then why have I heard it even though I’ve never been there?
And while I’m here, this is yet another story about some z-rate non entity that most people couldn’t give a fig about normally. As I said in the other thread about Kramer or whatever he’s called… the only people who really give a toss seem to be Americans.
I know eventually everyone in the USA is going to speak Spanish anyways. Rosie should have said, “el Chino el Chongno”
I wasn’t aware there was a line or pecking order. I though it was like how people get onto the subways. People crowd on the platform and where the train stops and which door open first determines who gets to sit and who gets to stand for the commute. One can prepare better if one observes a number of trains go by where the doors maybe stopping on the platform. But a lot of luck is involved as well…or at least that’s how I see things.
How is drawing attention to foreign-ness equal to dehumanizing?
I’m not arguing that rudeness is acceptable. I’m arguing that Rosie’s use of “ching chong” was so obviously different from the schoolyard “ching chong” taunt that one must be looking to be offended in order to have been offended by Rosie’s statement.
I’m fiarly well-tuned into the problems of and concerned about racism. But, I just don’t see how Rosie’s dumb joke was racist, at all.
[quote=“Funk500”]Just wanted to point out that my Chinese room mate often says that when he hears Cantonese he says it sounds like “Ching Chong Chang” to him… Does that make him racist?
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Shouldn’t he say “Sounds Greek to me.”
But within the Chinese community, your roomate doesn’t reject Cantonese speaking individuals as non-Chinese. Or a hypenated Chinese, such as Tang-Chinese. There is no issue of dialect speaking Chinese as being foriegn…besides Taiwan of course.
[color=red]Yeah, right. Whatever you say.[/color]
[color=red]I rest my case.[/color]
Why the fuck would Rosie’s statement remind you of that? Was Rosie commenting on Chinese people, or making fun of Chinese people?
You haven’t stated a case yet.
[quote=“Red Frog”]
Some of you Forumosans are saying it’s too PC and “Harden the f’ck up”. Unless you have experienced something like this yourself, you do not have the right to tell people to “Harden the f’ck up”. If someone does something similar to your kid, let’s see you “Harden the f’ck up”. It’s not about being PC or not PC, but rather about respect - which I guess some of you find difficult to comprehend.[/quote]
Okay, so the Asian American community lost ‘face’ on this one. But shit, Blacks, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Japanese, have all been the brunt of jokes at one point or another. Point is are we gonna scream over EVERY little joke that taunts our differences or the real ones that really can create trouble?
The Kramer joke wasn’t something so simple. That was pure uncontrolled rage. And it should have been dealt with seriously. As he went into a serious rant that used historical references to taunt those guys.
Here she was just futzing up a language that she’s probably does have the aptitude to learn. While I can get their offense, but why is the French and other ‘minorities’ don’t have a fit when people make fun of them in poor accents?
Because “ching chong” encapsulates both foreign and dehumanizing aspect of how non-Asian view Asian Americans.
That’s one of the biggest obstacles facing Asian Americans is how to become perceived as the unhyphenated American without prejudice. Such as a Michele Malkin right wing nutter or a FOB that’s just trying to hard.
I still get double takes when people ask “Are you Chinese?” or “What are you?” and I look them straight in the eye and say in a deadpan tone “I’m an American.” Or course I flash a quick smile to get a laugh so not to offend. But it is obvious mainstream America doesn’t fully Asian American as unhyphenated yet, or I wouldn’t be getting the reactions I get.
Think about it from an American child of Chinese descent point of view. That language and culture where you are originally from is seen a liability, as something wrong. Could make a child not want to be Asian. Talk about an identity crisis and career in porn in the making.
Because “ching chong” encapsulates both foreign and dehumanizing aspect of how non-Asian view Asian Americans.
That’s one of the biggest obstacles facing Asian Americans is how to become perceived as the unhyphenated American without prejudice. Such as a Michele Malkin right wing nutter or a FOB that’s just trying to hard.
I still get double takes when people ask “Are you Chinese?” or “What are you?” and I look them straight in the eye and say in a deadpan tone “I’m an American.” Or course I flash a quick smile to get a laugh so not to offend. But it is obvious mainstream America doesn’t fully Asian American as unhyphenated yet, or I wouldn’t be getting the reactions I get.
Think about it from an American child of Chinese descent point of view. That language and culture where you are originally from is seen a liability, as something wrong. Could make a child not want to be Asian. Talk about an identity crisis and career in porn in the making.[/quote]
Spare me. Blacks have been in America far longer than Asians and we have had more hyphens and racial discriptions. IMO that’s the cruix of the Asian American experience, this need to be accepted. Why flash the smile so you don’t offend? That’s so passive aggressive, IMO. If you’re American, just say it with the smile and go about your day. Or accept the fact that America isn’t in the state of mind,yet, to accept all races as one.
Why the fuck would Rosie’s statement remind you of that? Was Rosie commenting on Chinese people, or making fun of Chinese people?[/quote]
It may encourage people to do the ching chong on some Chinese person if they think it’s funny and it’s alright. While the joke is not directly about the Chinese, the ching chong did stand out. Imagine you’re a Chinese immigrant. Your kid comes home from school telling you that his classmates are going ching chong on him because that’s what they heard someone on TV is saying and it’s funny. How would you feel? You have to remember that a lot of Chinese - especially the earlier immigrants - have memories of the local people going “ching chong” on them (not out of kindness mind you) and it’s not a pleasant experience. But I guess you would not or will not understand these kinds of things.
Namahottie,
I’m not disregarding the plight of Blacks in the US either. It is to create an environment better for the future for all Americans. Not a culture of this minority groups went through injustice before being assimilated so all future generation of immigrants have to go thought the same. Isn’t it a waste of resources to repeat the errors in history over and over again, instead of moving forward and setting up a system for all?
Because the speaker is usually ignorant of what their question might imply. No point trying to escalate the situation when just a simple verbal jab is needed to enlighten.
Accept Status quo…I did that in Taiwan…and look at Taiwan now.
I have a dream…of starting my own rainbow harem for “hard and sloppy” with women and men of all races. Please don’t burst my bubble.